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How do the particulars of different religions influence their culture's take on masculinity/femininity and what does this mean for the religious response to the lgbt movement?

For example, in Hinduism it seems that behaviors are accepted which would be called gay in the west that in the east are merely seen as holy/transcendent? This goes in part to the differences with polytheism and having a concept of female divinities which are holy. Also, krishna would seem to be a masculine ideal of the peacock which in eastern culture is accepted but in the west could be seen as effeminate?





On the other hand in the west there is a lot of cultural repression by the church about lgbt issues, but that seems to be effeminate from the eastern perspective. Ie the amount of closeted gays that join the catholic church for example and play out their repression with altar boys gives a different meaning to what "masculine/feminine" look like in the east from a western meta perspective. Masculine in the west varies quite substantially for example the Americans seem to have a more "he-man"/conan the barbarian big muscles and explosions sort of ideal at least in popular culture whereas a german might have a more cool and rational sort of image of what masculinity is? This seems to me to parallel a more Asian/Chinese/Japanese sort of masculinity from Buddhism that has to do with detachment/self-control. A more stoic/acerbic view of masculinity. Contrast that with a more Hindu/Latin masculinity that seems to have to do with a dextrous dance like approach to reality that is more based in movement and can be seen in the traditions of many colors & dance embodying masculinity while that seems to imply femininity at least in America. What other memes of culture, religion, and sexuality do you find being expressed in the world and what do they mean in terms of masculinity and femininity in psychology?
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Cultural concepts around masculinity and femininity are not so easily tied to LGBT attitudes. You mention the feminine features of Hindu figures like Krishna, but homosexuality was illegal in India until very recently. Of course, colonialism may have had a lot to do with that, but still, there are people today who bow before very effeminate-looking Hindu gods that believe homosexuality is evil. By contrast, look at ancient Sparta. This warrior culture was masculine as fuck. They were also really, really into gay sex. Within Asia, there have been traditional cultural differences around this as well. Tibetan culture has traditionally had a negative view of homosexuality, though the current Dalai Lama (as well as the Karmapa) has made steps toward changing that. China was traditionally more welcoming, though that changed with Maoism, which saw homosexuality as a sign of Western bourgeois decadence (similar to how it was seen in the Cuban revolution).

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