Think also of Job, he was a righteous man living in abundance but he never forgot god both in abundance and in depravity.
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Albert wrote: was speaking of kingdom of heave that will be established on earth. How can kingdom of heaven be established on earth if we sin in abundance and prosperity?
Albert wrote:Think also of Job, he was a righteous man living in abundance but he never forgot god both in abundance and in depravity.
Albert wrote:I implore you to find where Jesus preached that prosperity leads to sin
Victoribus Spolia wrote:Correct, which is why I am not a communist (among other things), for obviously the possession of wealth is not sinful.
Likewise, Satan's request to tempt Job proves that even he believed that the removal of possessions would lead to Job blaspheming God as that would have been a common reaction, God let Satan tempt Job because God knew that Job was an exception, He was righteous in this regards (and some argue he even typifies the Christ to come). Indeed, God even gave Him more wealth as a reward.
However, such can be a temptation, if it were not, we wouldn't have warnings against the love of money, worshiping money rather than God, etc. Even the offering of immediate gratification and abundance was used against Our Lord by the devil himself in the midst of his fast (which is the quintessential act of delayed gratification).
Albert wrote:This is why we sin, because we enjoy it.
Albert wrote:Also consider career criminals, they lead destitute lives yet many of them do not turn to god. That is because evil loves destruction, regardless if it is in wealth or poor, evil people will do evil regardless. Because evil loves evil, that is why evil people do evil, because they derive joy from it.
Albert wrote:If it is sinful it will end up in destitute.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Because the economic substructure of society has impelled most people to a certain behaviour
Victoribus Spolia wrote:That is what I am talking about. We agree that the problem is sin and rebellion against God, but why do societal sins follow certain patterns in historical societies?
Reichstraten wrote:Modern capitalism strongly altered christian morality by turning the pursuit of material interests into something positive instead of judging it as a sin.
Now we're stuck with a silly prosperity gospel, which is the reason why so many American evangelicals voted for trump.
Besoeker wrote:Do you believe it is the truth - actually factual?
Reichstraten wrote:I'm talking about morality here. What do people consider to be good behaviour or bad behaviour?
Reichstraten wrote:I'm not a marxist or materialist who thinks that material conditions determine consciousness.
Reichstraten wrote:Of course not all evangelicals embrace the propeserity gospel, but protestants are a modern version of christianity and thus more adapted to the modern mind set.
Reichstraten wrote:About the support for Trump, ask yourself this question: Why did a majority of evangelicals vote for the candidate with the most un-christian walk of life?
Reichstraten wrote:Is grapping women by their genitals the kind of culture they want to see preserved?
Besoeker wrote:Including creation in six days?
Albert wrote:Jesus essentially opened Judaism to the rest of the world, before then from what I understand reading the bible, Jews were this mystical secluded religious/ethnic sect. That not many new much about, because of how ancient Jews took care not to interact with other peoples of the empire. They saw other non-Jews as spiritually unclean and took great care to preserve their seclusion. When Jesus came he essentially opened up 'gods' people, who were preserving and preparing god's way for humanity.
Edit: It was a strange phenomena even for the Romans at the time. That these secluded people of whom not much was know and their ways, started to open up to them and rest of the empire.
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