annatar1914 wrote:@Victoribus Spolia; @Rei Murasame;
Returning to my broader reflections that provide a framework for this thread of mine, it has probably occurred to some that I am, based on my posts on other threads, kind of a ''post-socialist'' anti-capitalist, when an ''unironic National Bolshevik of traditionalist Christian beliefs'' might be a better descriptor. But what it really comes down to is that 'there is nothing new under the Sun', and while in the previous 7000 years the set of beliefs regarded as ''Modern'' was hidden in the depths of the pagan mystery schools worldwide , now it is the case that traditional Orthodox Christianity is hidden (or not so much that, as unseen and insignificant to today's world) and without political meaning or social significance at least in the West. Not that it is wrong, it most emphatically is right and should be spoken of as such. My original reaction was to analyze the modern world and see how it can be changed or modified to be less anti-human and anti-God, since it cannot be undone by mortal men. Now, I see that everything has to proceed to it's denouement.
Not only is this an absence of the idea of Progress, it is the absence of the idea of Politics as we've known it for some 500 years. How can I speak about the border and immigration problem for example, when I don't believe that Westphalian nation-state modernity contains within itself any of the solutions?
So here I am in my own little cave, and I'm preparing to watch the 'cities of the plain' burn, today or in 400 or so years time in which case someone else will, because i'd rather not have the fate of one of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus.
A few days pass, while I was away during the Dormition Fast, and I detect some unfortunate pessimism in my earlier statements.
I trust the working people, I favor their democracy, true democracy. Enlightened and given political and economic freedoms, the majority of the people can be trusted to plot out their destiny after discussing the matters important to them and the lives of their families, together coming to a decision. Further along, they can be trusted to elect representatives with legislative and executive power, who are bound to strictly follow the will of the council of people who they represent. But the reverse is also true, that after their representatives debate, I trust the people in that they will let go of factionalism and agree to all follow the course decided upon by those representatives.
Not so much that I fully trust the individual person given fallen human nature, but experience of history shows that most cultures (except the American one) are generally more collective and cooperative than individualistic and self-interested. Being American albeit not so very Western minded, I still had a hard time believing that this greater unity of purpose was even possible.
If this is ''Statism'', than it is the ''State of the Whole People'', popular and representative-democratic but illiberal (because also Authoritarian, and because the People really are more virtuous than the Elites or former Elites). Socialist and Meritocratic of course, because the People everywhere have always been Proto-Socialist and Meritocratic in their hearts, which is why the Elites fear and hate the People whom they exploit, and thus also why the Elites have always been possessed of a tendency towards what might be called Proto-Fascism. Both tendencies are natural in a sense to mankind, like Good and Evil are.
Because of this, this is where the Marxists are also wrong; you just don't have the State whither away...It's simply not possible.
But man is a fickle and disreputable creature and perhaps, like a chess-player, is interested in the process of attaining his goal rather than the goal itself.