@Local Localist , you said;
I agree that fascists are distinct from traditionalists, because, as with liberals and socialists, they are necessarily modernistic and revolutionary. They seek to create states in which they are able to propagate their ideology, which necessitates advancing the interests of their nation, and, on some level, progressing their society. They see a fascist utopia, and they do not view the world in a cyclical manner.
Most of your Ur-Fascist thinkers, Proto-Fascist thinkers, were very much those in keeping with the principles (such as can be found in Neitzsche's work) such as the ''Eternal Return'', and yet for now I'd rather not dive into the turgid waters of the esoteric and get into Evola, Ariosophy, and such as those.
But yes, while ''Modern'' and ''Revolutionary'', they were for all that, restoring the Pagan world back to Europe and the world after a bit of a hiatus. Such thinking has been the focus of my studies recently.
What I've never understood is how many reactionaries seem to wish for all the world to be filled with 'traditionalists' just like themselves. Surely, the only way they would be able to accomplish this is with the revolutionary means popularised in what you might term to be the 'beginning of this age'. If time is indeed cyclical, would a reactionary (which I use almost synonymously with traditionalist) not simply accept that the age must run its course?
Well, the question assumes the premise of Traditionalism=Reactionary, when I believe that they are distinct.
''Reaction'' is a state of mind, an unwillingness to move forwards even if the moving forwards is a question of right and wrong, of good versus evil even. A European 21st century Monarchist trying to restore the Monarchy, or just role playing as such somewhere, is a Reactionary.
''Tradition'' is living a way of life and of belief that because of it's basic principles, allows one to continue much as one's ancestors in the past, without changing in one's essence. A Bedouin tribe in the Sinai or Jordan, or Old Believer Orthodox Christians in Russia, are Traditionalists.
There appears to be a substantial if subtle distinction here, the more one thinks about it.
@Wulfschilde , you commented that;
But seriously. One way to define a traditionalist might be to understand how the cultural character and perceptions of the past can continue today. This is obvious in some places but not in the west because everything is about breaking down and vilifying those presumptions; not only but seemingly especially when similar viewpoints can be found in other cultures.
I agree, the West is at it's basis, the root of Modernity, with assumptions about Capitalism vs. Socialism and everything else in the West being conditioned by the foundational premises of Western Civilization itself.
But man is a fickle and disreputable creature and perhaps, like a chess-player, is interested in the process of attaining his goal rather than the goal itself.