[Potemkin]

Not to mention Sylvester Stallone. They don't call him 'The Italian Stallion' for nothing, you know.

[Imperial Spaghetti]

Not to mention Sylvester Stallone. They don't call him 'The Italian Stallion' for nothing, you know.

And him yeah! So, people who look down on women porn stars are misogynist. Either they admit it or not, they are.

[meazza]

Simon Rex also started out as a porn actor. He was in several children's film and that adolescent series What I Like About You.

Where was the brouhaha then?

24 hours news cycle. Useless garbage like this shit makes headlines when in the past, it wouldn't.

I personally think there are too many journalists due to the internet.

[Imperial Spaghetti]

I personally think there are too many journalists due to the internet.

There are also too many movie reviewers, singers, wannabe filmmakers ... you name it, the internet has too many of it.

[meazza]

There are also too many movie reviewers, singers, wannabe filmmakers ... you name it, the internet has too many of it.

Of course but all this access to more news makes the shut ins have more to complain about. Thirty years ago, you bought a newspaper and read it over breakfast, lots of stuff wasn't necessarily published because it wasn't really that important.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

She's not there as a role model. She's reading a book. At least she's educated enough that she CAN read a book, and she can probably counsel people on what career NOT to get into.

If she's not meant to be a role model, why was she chosen? Since the school (actively) picked her to read to the pupils the onus is on them to explain the choice.

“We have several celebrities who read to our students each year,” a spokesperson for the school told TMZ.

So, according to the article she was chosen for her celebrity status (in the porn industry? ). Not only wouldn't the pupils know her at the time of the reading, but it was reasonable to expect that they would find out who she was and what type of work she is famous for after the reading. I mean, what's the likelihood of at least one parent complaining about it: quite high, no?

Again, why was a former porn star chosen and why weren't parents asked for their consent?

[Godstud]

Maybe they needed volunteers, and she volunteered? Heck if I know what they were thinking! I sort of wonder what the school was thinking in the first place. They must have known that this would be controversial.

Her "celebrity status" is questionable. She was in Entourage, where she kept her clothes on most of the time...

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Again, why was a former porn star chosen and why weren't parents asked for their consent?

Do they always have to be asked for consent to someone to read to them?

Why does her former or even current career matter? Yes she used to suck cocks, but so did your mother (no offence intended), and probably every other female (and some male) person who has ever read to them.

Not only wouldn't the pupils know her at the time of the reading, but it was reasonable to expect that they would find out who she was and what type of work she is famous for after the reading.

Why? Because her leaving thoughts to the kids would be "oh yeah and i love anal"?

[Kaiserschmarrn]

Maybe they needed volunteers, and she volunteered? Heck if I know what they were thinking!
I sort of wonder what the school was thinking in the first place. They must have known that this would be controversial.

Yeah, it surely was an 'unconventional' choice. Since they tried to deny it later, it's possible that somebody at the school simply made a mistake.

Do they always have to be asked for consent to someone to read to them?

Why does her former or even current career matter? Yes she used to suck cocks, but so did your mother (no offence intended), and probably every other female (and some male) person who has ever read to them.

At the very least the names should be known to the parents beforehand. In an obviously controversial case like this they should be asked explicitly.

Her career is relevant because most parents do not want their children to be (indirectly) exposed to porn at such a young age (see below).

Why? Because her leaving thoughts to the kids would be "oh yeah and i love anal"?

Because children are curious, people talk, and it should have been obvious that somebody would likely complain. If there are complaints children want to know why and somebody is bound to tell them (e.g. older siblings, older kids in schools, etc.).

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Because children are curious, people talk, and it should have been obvious that somebody would likely complain. If there are complaints children want to know why and somebody is bound to tell them (e.g. older siblings, older kids in schools, etc.).

So your proposition here is that without the introduction of a porn star that these older kids wouldn't talk about porn or sex at all? This would be the catalyst? With Sasha Grey these older kids would have allowed the younger kids to retain their innocence until they turn 18? Really?

If these older kids knew who Sasha Grey was and would so gleefully tell them then one would imagine they would tell them other stuff anyway.

Her career is relevant because most parents do not want their children to be (indirectly) exposed to porn at such a young age (see below).

Who is showing them porn? This was a fucking book reading session and I'm pretty certain the book wasn't the joy of sex.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

So your proposition here is that without the introduction of a porn star that these older kids wouldn't talk about porn or sex at all? This would be the catalyst? With Sasha Grey these older kids would have allowed the younger kids to retain their innocence until they turn 18? Really?

Yes, that's exactly what I meant!

[junebug]

I for the life of me can't understand why a women who made her fortune portraying herself as a sexual object in the public should be looked at as anything but a sexual object...she chose that role it wasn't a forced social role that she had no control over...with the role comes certain drawbacks, and perhaps advantages as well. Drawbacks in this society are obvious, I am not going to blame parents for wanting her no where near their children...

I don't think that is being mysogynistic I think that is just being overprotective... and the truth is that maybe parents these days should be...society in the last 15 years has changed drastically, and children are overwhelmed in my mind with a lot of material unsuitable for children...I know she was just reading a children's story to them, but hostility would still arise in a parent...

If a gansta rapper was reading to the children parents would also not be too happy with it...parents censor their children about the friends they keep, the food they eat, the behavior they have, the school they go too, what they see on tv etc....that is their right

[Godstud]

I for the life of me can't understand why a women who made her fortune portraying herself as a sexual object in the public should be looked at as anything but a sexual object...she chose that role it wasn't a forced social role that she had no control over...with the role comes certain drawbacks, and perhaps advantages as well. Drawbacks in this society are obvious, I am not going to blame parents for wanting her no where near their children...

So... should a man, Michael C. Hall(Dexter), be banned from anything related to children, because he makes his fortune portraying himself as a serial killer? Sex isn't nearly as bad as murder!

Fact: You can find a lot of film stars who had shady starts in their careers. Look it up. There's a LOT of them, and a lot of sex scenes and nudity on the internetz.

Would Pamela Anderson be given the same problems? She was in a porn video. Or is that something that people don't focus on, because she's done lots of stuff since then? It's just double standards.

If a gansta rapper was reading to the children parents would also not be too happy with it...parents censor their children about the friends they keep, the food they eat, the behavior they have, the school they go too, what they see on tv etc....that is their right

Yes. They can do this, by keeping their kids out of school and home-schooling them and isolating them from anything bad in society. Their kids will grow up sheltered, and go on to do the very things they don't want them to do, because they weren't educated about them.

It's not the school's job to know the parent's individual tastes.

If my kids were still young, I don't think I'd have a problem with Sasha Grey reading to them. If they asked me who she was, I'd tell them. I'd then explain to them about her previously chosen career, so there wouldn't be any confusion. In short, I'd educate them, instead of censoring. (The only case of censorship I ever did for my children was to make them leave the room during the News because they were showing a German reporter, who was trapped and injured in a minefield, screaming in pain. I later explained to them the reason.)

[junebug]

So... should a man, Michael C. Hall(Dexter), be banned from anything related to children, because he makes his fortune portraying himself as a serial killer? Sex isn't nearly as bad as murder!

Fact: You can find a lot of film stars who had shady starts in their careers. Look it up. There's a LOT of them, and a lot of sex scenes and nudity on the internetz.

Would Pamela Anderson be given the same problems? She was in a porn video. Or is that something that people don't focus on, because she's done lots of stuff since then? It's just double standards.

perhaps they are double standards but these parents are complaining about it in other words they didn't want her there....and these parents have a right to disagree with what is or isn't allowed for their children. we can't change people that is one thing I know...people are who they are, and that being said all she is seeking to change is her image and using children to do it...why doesnt she go to a freaking soup kitchen then if she is going to use people to reform herself....that is pathetic of her and her pathetic publicity stunt is what I will not defend period...

as for having to homeschool children, I think that is silly, a school has a certain role to fill, why not fulfill that role, and leave the catering to some "actress" to others...I don't think that censoring certain things from small children is wrong...it would be one thing if they were teenagers...they explore things and they should, it's another thing when dealing with 5-9 year old children...

i am all for being progressive, but in some ways there are aspects that are dissapointing......i would much rather prefer some good ole fashioned thinking....sometimes that is...

that is just my opinion...plus i don't like pamela anderson tbh, i don't want my girls playing with barbie, why the heck would I want barbie the bimbo reading to them....is this progressiveness post modern feminism...? i'll pass

yeah my kids will be in private school (a mixed one), and yes I will censor certain things from them especially between the ages of 3-10 after that give them incremental freedom as they acclimate and as trust is developed...also because they are a bit more able to understand certain things....

I dont think children are miniture adults so we obviously have a difference child rearing...my parents censored me and I didn't run out and go buck wilder then any other kid or have you seen a college campus lately...they all do what is on their minds to do when they get to a certain age period...

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I for the life of me can't understand why a women who made her fortune portraying herself as a sexual object in the public should be looked at as anything but a sexual object...she chose that role it wasn't a forced social role that she had no control over.

So your entire life and how you are treated should be determind by one career choice? A one time nurse should always be thought of as a nurse, and a former porn star will remain a porn star? Am I still a teacher?

[junebug]

^^^simply a career or a societal role? fact..some women are portrayed as sexual objects or people that are simply for gratification of fantasy when they themselves were not acting in that role this is wrong....however there are some women took up that role voluntarily and happily. like i said there are going to be drawbacks and there are going to be advanges to the choices that we make....I didn't outright reject her...parents did frankly they have a right to....

when you chose to dress a certain way, act a certain way, talk a certain way whatever you do, you are observed and judged according to your actions...whether this is fair or not that is the way it is for everyone....she is no exception people will judge her. she put herself in a position to be judged, do you think if she ran for office that people wouldn't look into her past and make judgements...we do it to politicians all the time. Why wouldn't we do the same when it comes to access to the most impressionable minds of all...the minds of children.

there are jobs that are deemed noble, heroic, menial, etc. and they create social heirarchy Doctors, teachers, nurses, etc. benefit from this more than anyone...and then there are careers that will label you whereever you go. how do you even go groceries and know that people knows exactly how you deepthroat, while taking it in the booty too...i mean she is the one that has the issues not me....personally i don't shed tears over any porn star....too many women these days are held in judgement for not behaving like a harlot or pornstar....as far as I am concerned...

btw have to cut the discussion short as I am starting my vacay time....and I am leaving for a few weeks...

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however there are some women took up that role voluntarily and happily.

Like any other career choice. And we don't hold people for the rest of their life to one decision.

when you chose to dress a certain way, act a certain way, talk a certain way whatever you do, you are observed and judged according to your actions...whether this is fair or not that is the way it is for everyone....she is no exception people will judge her.

I didn't realise she came in naked and sucked off the observing teacher.

she put herself in a position to be judged, do you think if she ran for office that people wouldn't look into her past and make judgements...we do it to politicians all the time. Why wouldn't we do the same when it comes to access to the most impressionable minds of all...the minds of children.

No we judge the morality of them. Criminality, affairs, lying, cheating stealing. Not what they used to do for a living. Not the legal career choice they made and then abandoned. We aren't condemning Herman Cain because he used to work in a pizza shop but because he may have done immoral and illegal things. Sasha Grey's morality and legality isn't really being questioned here.

how do you even go groceries and know that people knows exactly how you deepthroat, while taking it in the booty too

Not a trait limited to porn stars. You mind find your bag packer is also capable of this.

[junebug]

the bag packer isn't doing this on video for everyone to see...that is a lame argument. she is doing these things for the viewing pleasure of millions which nosy kids can access big difference between consenting adults in the privacy of their own bedrooms...

a lot of americans are not so progressive that they don't equate the sex life of people with morality and ethics, wiener couldn't even text himself in his little undies without being forced out on his ass...when he really wasn't hurting anyone...

if the parents of those children say...i don't want the lowlife whore (prolly their words not mine) around my kids, who am i too argue...those aren't my kids those aren't your kids they are their children and if the majority says no then thats that....i am not arguing against parental rights. when she has her own children she can read to them if she wants... those are not her kids....

anyway bon voyage...was bored waiting to board..chicago airport sucks...boingo hotspot is not free, but i got 20 minutes free of charge..

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she is doing these things for the viewing pleasure of millions which nosy kids can access big difference between consenting adults in the privacy of their own bedrooms

So your problem is now that kids can watch her porn? Isn't it a problem that they can watch porn in general? Are you okay with kids watching people fuck as long as they haven't actually met those doing it?

[Godstud]

Are you okay with kids watching people fuck as long as they haven't actually met those doing it?

That's going to be a problem, Fade.... Their parents fucked, or they wouldn't be here.

she is doing these things for the viewing pleasure of millions

So it's NOT a bad thing, after all.

a lot of americans are not so progressive that they don't equate the sex life of people with morality and ethics, wiener couldn't even text himself in his little undies without being forced out on his ass...when he really wasn't hurting anyone...

The sad reality, is that puritanism is something common in North America. It's amazing, given the acceptance of extreme violence. He's have done better if he'd have shot someone in the head... Oh wait. That's already been done.

Just because it's a reality(a pathetic one), doesn't mean it isn't time for change.

if the parents of those children say...i don't want the lowlife whore (prolly their words not mine) around my kids, who am i too argue

They have that right, and they can prevent their kids from attending that reading. Ms. Grey shouldn't have to deal with sanctimonious nitwits. She's reading a BOOK to kids. She's not doing a question and answer session. These are first and third grade kids who'd probably never know what she did unless her parents didn't make a fuss in the first place.

i am not arguing against parental rights

It's not about parental rights. Parents have a right(and ability) to keep their kids home from school and make sure they are ignorant fucktards, if they want. It's about her right to simply read a book to kids.

These are the same sorts of parents that object to sex education.

"I will not live in fear of [my past]," she said. "To challenge non-profit education programs is an exercise in futility, counter-productive and anti-educational."

You tell em, Sasha!