[ThirdTerm]

A hijab can be fashionably worn depending on how they wear it. I don't think hijab-wearing women are particularly discriminated against in Europe. But a niqab or burka is a symbol of the Taliban's oppression of women in Afghanistan and Muslim women should be discouraged from wearing them.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

Of course not.

So just because a man might be scantily clad that makes him less of a person? Hmm, Frollein?

[Frollein]

Walking around scantily clad is a Western achievement and symbol of liberation and love of one's own (and others') body. We need to vigorously defend it. Clothes are a symbol of oppression!

(Unless your fat and/or ugly. Then they do have a function)

*cue all the snowflakes shrieking about body shaming and stuff.*

[Godstud]

A burqa is a piece of cultural clothing(just like a kilt is), as it's not recognized all across the Islamic religion. The freedom to wear it, or not, in Western society, is a CHOICE. There is no laws in Western society to punish a woman who chooses not to wear one., so why are you fucking with a woman's right to choose what she wants to wear?

[The Sabbaticus]

You're talking about a piece of political clothing which is an integral part of the Islamist movement in Europe. The child is typically forced to wear it from an early age and enforcement is achieved through vicious familial and social control. The hijab is also a symbol of sexualization of young girls and typically reaffirms the notion that non-hijab wearing females are 'loose'. The 'hijab' isn't innocent.

[Frollein]

A burqa is a piece of cultural clothing(just like a kilt is), as it's not recognized all across the Islamic religion. The freedom to wear it, or not, in Western society, is a CHOICE. There is no laws in Western society to punish a woman who chooses not to wear one., so why are you fucking with a woman's right to choose what she wants to wear?

Except that it's in most cases not the woman's free choice to wear or not to wear it. Since veiling a woman is culturally connected with notions about that woman's virtue and is justified with protecting her from men's sexual predation, this means that a woman who doesn't veil herself is inviting sexual harassment - again, according to the cultural understanding of Muslims. It's an instrument of suppression - suppression of female sexuality, and female self-determination. I don't know why you think that swapping "ideology" with "culture" makes that in any way more acceptable.

Oh, and the fact that some women buy into their own oppression isn't really an argument, as the Marxists of PoFo will happily explain. Just let me mention the cultural tradition of crippling Chinese women's feet - that was done to the little girls by their own mothers. So according to your logic, it was ok, since the women obviously chose to cripple their own daughters.

[Potemkin]

You're talking about a piece of political clothing which is an integral part of the Islamist movement in Europe.

It's also an integral part of many devout Muslim families' lives, with no necessary connection with Islamism or terrorism. It's the same logic which led the victorious English to ban the wearing of the kilt for several decades after the Jacobite Rebellion in the 18th century. The kilt was the traditional daily garb of the Highland clans, but after the Jacobite Rebellion it was interpreted as a purely political symbol.

The child is typically forced to wear it from an early age and enforcement is achieved through vicious familial and social control.

All families are oppressive and coercive, Sabb. This is both unavoidable and necessary; human culture and a given society's moral values are transmitted from generation to generation by being imposed on children through the medium of the family unit. If we approve of those values we call it "nurturing", and if we disapprove of those values we call it "oppression".

The hijab is also a symbol of sexualization of young girls and typically reaffirms the notion that non-hijab wearing females are 'loose'. The 'hijab' isn't innocent.

Only in a dialectical sense, Sabb. The hijab is actually an attempt to de-sexualise young girls, but like every such attempt to suppress something, it dialectically gives rise to its own polar opposite. The Victorians were so prudish that they covered up even the legs of grand pianos. Paradoxically, that suggests that the Victorian attempt to suppress sexuality actually led to a kind of hyper-sexualisation of Victorian society, where even the glimpse of a piano leg might drive red-blooded males into a frenzy of lust. And, culturally speaking, nothing is 'innocent', as Roland Barthes pointed out back in the 1970s.

[AFAIK]

I find Muslim dress codes offensive and sexist towards men. The idea that men are feral beasts who lose all self control when exposed to a woman's face or neck is degrading and ridiculous.

[Rich]

I believe those of us on the political centre and political right should have more humility, there's a lot we can learn about human rights from our leftie opponents.

Women should have the same right to wear Burkas that workers had to wear I love Trotsky badges in 30's Russia. Self expression aside, those that teach their daughters that they should wear Burquas and Niqabs should be prosecuted for child abuse and be put on the sex offenders register along with all the other Perverts. the fact that our great western Pagan culture got infected by perverted Judeo-Zoraistrianism 1700 years ago, is no reason for welcoming more of it.

I find Muslim dress codes offensive and sexist towards men. The idea that men are feral beasts who lose all self control when exposed to a woman's face or neck is degrading and ridiculous.

To be fair Islam has been quite successful in reducing men's sexual interest in women and diverting it into fucking boys.

[Hong Wu]

Now the men are also sporting traditional garb!

[skinster]

The 'hijab' isn't innocent.

[Political Interest]

Who cares what Muslim women wear?

As per usual the Western liberal centre rightists obsess over unimportant details and miss the bigger picture.

I find it laughable when Western liberal conservatives pretend they care about women's rights. Since when did they suddenly discover their feminine side?

These are the same people who encourage mass immigration into Europe but then complain when the migrants don't magically adopt all the values of Europe.

[The Sabbaticus]

It's an obtrusive symbol of religiosity and quite frankly an eyesore, especially the North-African form of the hijab. Makes them look like Star Trek:DS9 cosplayers of some stereotypical villain race. How is it that this has escaped your notice, PI? We're talking about children forced to wear the hijab under penality of physical violence, ostracism, disownment - you name it - from their fathers, brothers, cousins, uncles, etc.

Refer to Potemkin's post about the Jacobite rebellion. Do you want a wild growth of anti-Western zealots? Or do you want to force these people to assimilate, because we all know the English were in fact successful in suppressing/strangling Scottish culture. We need only look at Potemkin himself for affirmation.

[Political Interest]

It's an obtrusive symbol of religiosity and quite frankly an eyesore, especially the North-African form of the hijab. Makes them look like Star Trek:DS9 cosplayers of some stereotypical villain race. How is it that this has escaped your notice, PI? We're talking about children forced to wear the hijab under penality of physical violence, ostracism, disownment - you name it - from their fathers, brothers, cousins, uncles, etc.

I am not quite sure what you want to do. Do you want to stop Muslims from practicing Islam or perhaps just stop Muslim women wearing hijab/niqab/burqa/chador? This can never happen. You cannot stop Muslims practicing their religion. It is neither desirable or our business to be trying to police how other civilisations operate.

If you are against the prospect of Europe undergoing massive demographic shifts, this is something else entirely. However Muslims and Islam have nothing to do with that. Such an issue begins and ends withour our political class and their insane social engineering projects.

Muslim head coverings are a non-issue. They are completely harmless. Why should innocent ordinary Muslims be made to feel uncomfortable for being who they are?

I criticise this advertisement because I find it racist and a typical example of Western middle class liberal racism hidden under the veil of tolerance. It is racist both towards Muslims and Europeans alike. But then the entire multicultural project is pure racism that cannot be perceived by the middle class liberal centrists who promote it. It can only be perceived from the outside their ethnocentric little world.

[Pants-of-dog]

The people who want to outlaw the hijab do not care about the rights of women. Especailly Muslim women.

Their behaviour is not qualitatively different from the behaviour of Muslim men who force women to wear veils.

[Gegenseite]

I wanted to see some German girls in hijabs. Unfortunately the video is not available anymore.

[AFAIK]

Edit- Just noticed this is from 2 years ago.

The people who want to outlaw the hijab do not care about the rights of women. Especailly Muslim women.

Their behaviour is not qualitatively different from the behaviour of Muslim men who force women to wear veils.

So the Muslims in Turkey who banned head scarfs are the same as the Muslims in Saudi who force them? I didn't expect to see you post sweeping generalisations about such a large and diverse group.

[Godstud]

Pants-of-dog is correct. Let women decide for themselves, instead of banning them either way. Leave the choice to women, not to mealy-mouthed pinheads.

[Pants-of-dog]

Edit- Just noticed this is from 2 years ago.


So the Muslims in Turkey who banned head scarfs are the same as the Muslims in Saudi who force them? I didn't expect to see you post sweeping generalisations about such a large and diverse group.

Insofar as both groups are passing legislation forcing women to dress a certain way, they are the same.

[blackjack21]

Nah. These Western women are out of control. We've got to do something to keep them in line. We need to be open minded and learn from other cultures like the Saudis. We musn't reject their counsel just because they aren't like us.