[Conscript]

I'm pretty sure federal hate crime statistics are skewed by the fact not all states and cities measure whiteness the same way, with Hispanics often being includes.

[Saeko]

I like how none of you conservative whiners have addressed any of my posts on the first page. Lets just keep our heads up our asses and be outraged for the rest of eternity. God I am so tired of bullshit outrage culture.

Now you know how the other side feels.

[Decky]

The United States is in a state of low level civil war between blacks and whites? What exciting news. This is definitely not an every day sort of story.

[Albert]

[LV-GUCCI-PRADA-FLEX]

Now you know how the other side feels.

I've never been a fan of outrage culture. There is no "other side" here, there is a lot of assumption about opinions being thrown around by both sides. It's annoying as hell.

[Albert]

You are such a victim Gucci.

[Hong Wu]

CNN should be shut down. Also, apparently the perpetrators have been charged with a hate crime, despite the best efforts of the usual suspects to try and convince people not to believe their eyes and ears. Also sad that this is when Gucci decides he's over "faux outrage".

People really are outraged. There's been half a dozen (at least) fake pro-Trump hate crimes that weren't half as outrageous as this, had they been real.

[One Degree]

Yahoo deletes Trump tweet that included racist slur
The Associated Press
Published: January 6, 2017, 6:14 am Updated: January 6, 2017, 7:02 am

Who do you think made the racial slur based upon AP's headline? (hint: it was not Trump)

[maz]

The president is forced to comment!

Denies that race relations haven't been set back 52 years and refuses to accept responsibility for the current state of said relations. Doesn't blame the race baiting media outlets such as Buzzfeed and MTV or university's white studies program. Blames social media.

Obama Calls Facebook Torture Video ‘Despicable’, But Optimistic About Race Relations In U.S.

CHICAGO (CBS) — The torture of a teenager streamed live on Facebook is “despicable” but not a sign of worsening racial tensions, President Obama said Thursday in an interview with CBS 2 Special Contributor Jay Levine.

In a one-on-one conversation at the White House as Obama winds down his term in office, the president was asked about the state of race relations in America.

Obama said he doesn’t believe racial tensions have gotten worse, but that the public exposure is more prevalent in the digital age.

“In part because we see visuals of racial tensions, violence, and so forth; because of smart phones and the Internet,” the president said.

“What we have seen as surfacing, I think, are a lot of problems that have been there a long time.

“Whether it’s tensions between police and communities, hate crimes of the despicable sort that has just now recently surfaced on Facebook.”

Two men and two women have been charged with a hate crime, after allegedly kidnapping an 18-year-old victim with special needs, torturing him, and posting videos of the torture online.

Several people can be seen laughing during the attack, in addition to making disparaging remarks about President-elect Donald Trump and using racially charged language. At one point, while the victim is backed into a corner, someone is heard shouting “F*** Donald Trump. F*** white people.”

The four people charged are black and the victim is white.

However, the president remains hopeful about the future.

“I take these things very seriously.”

“The good news is that the next generation that’s coming behind us … have smarter, better, more thoughtful attitudes about race.

“I think the overall trajectory of race relations in this country is actually very positive. It doesn’t mean that all racial problems have gone away. It means that we have the capacity to get better.”

[Pants-of-dog]

Why do you want to restrict it to hate crime statistics? Could it be because they are the only ones that support your position even though they are totally contradicted by actual attacks by race.

Because we are discussing actual hate crimes. And because not all violent crimes are hate crimes.

Please describe the difference between hate crimes and violent crimes. Thank you.

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I'm pretty sure federal hate crime statistics are skewed by the fact not all states and cities measure whiteness the same way, with Hispanics often being includes.

Since many Hispanics are white, it would make sense to include white Hispanics in the "white" category.

[One Degree]

Please describe the difference between hate crimes and violent crimes. Thank you.

Violent crimes are real. Hate crimes are made up nonsense.

[Pants-of-dog]

Violent crimes are real. Hate crimes are made up nonsense.

This response suggests that you do not actually know what a hate crime is.

[Political Interest]

Any hate crime is deplorable, regardless of the race of the victim. All of them must be condemned and the perpetrators punished.

There seems to be a tendency to not want to acknowledge the existence of anti-white hate crimes.

Certain ideologues do not seem to understand that there are situations in which whites could be victims of racially motivated attacks. The main problem is that they refuse to acknowledge the possibility that if whites were to become a minority that they could be victims of this sort of treatment on a far more frequent basis. These sorts of people like to claim that white privilege and an apparent lack of any history of systemic violence against whites means that this could never happen in future. This if of course a ludicrous proposal, as if violence and oppression cannot arise from new circumstances or even through other avenues other than the very small ones they have chosen to mention. These ideologues have constructed a reality and narrative and refuse to accept the possibility of anything outside this narrative. When events like these happen it completely shatters their world view and they are forced to engage in all sorts of intellectual gymnastics to reaffirm their position.

[Pants-of-dog]

Any hate crime is deplorable, regardless of the race of the victim. All of them must be condemned and the perpetrators punished.

There seems to be a tendency to not want to acknowledge the existence of anti-white hate crimes.

There has yet to be a single person arguing that this is not a hate crime.

Certain ideologues do not seem to understand that there are situations in which whites could be victims of racially motivated attacks. The main problem is that they refuse to acknowledge the possibility that if whites were to become a minority that they could be victims of this sort of treatment on a far more frequent basis. These sorts of people like to claim that white privilege and an apparent lack of systemic violence against whites means that this could never happen in future. This if of course a ludicrous proposal, as if violence and oppression cannot arise from new circumstances or even through other avenues other than the very small ones they have chosen to mention. These ideologues have constructed a reality and narrative and refuse to accept the possibility of anything outside this narrative. When events like these happen it completely shatters their world view and they are forced to engage in all sorts of intellectual gymnastics to reaffirm their position.

Who are you talking about?

[Political Interest]

There has yet to be a single person arguing that this is not a hate crime.

Perhaps not, but so far I have not seen any outrage about this on any social media.

Who are you talking about?

Western critical theory intellectuals, or even SJW's if we must use that term. I am not really sure how to classify them and their way of thinking. They will make the audacious claim that whites can never be victims of racism. Most of them will dismiss legitimate concerns as impossible. They constantly shift goal posts and define everything in the way they want it. Having an honest or equal discussion with such people is almost impossible. It is quite possible for two people to hold completely different opinions on an issue but when one side keeps denying facts or when another tries to keep pushing narrative it is a fruitless exercise. How can you have a discussion with someone who does not even view objective reality in the same way as you do?

[One Degree]

This response suggests that you do not actually know what a hate crime is.

Great response. Not.
A hate crime is when it is considered more serious to assault a person of another race than it is to assault a person of your own race. As I said. Nonsense. Both victims are human beings and their attackers deserve the same punishment. Simply enforcing existing laws would work just fine, but being this is America we always choose to pass more laws rather than actually enforcing existing laws. Hate laws are politically motivated and politically enforced to the detriment of whites. Their enforcement defies the realities of our society and they need to be eliminated.

[Pants-of-dog]

Perhaps not, but so far I have not seen any outrage about this on any social media.

So you believe that people are arguing that this is not a hate crime because you have not seen any discussion on it?

If that is the case, then you are commiting the logical fallacy of making an "argument from ignorance".

Western critical theory intellectuals, or even SJW's if we must use that term. I am not really sure how to classify them and their way of thinking. They will make the audacious claim that whites can never be victims of racism. Most of them will dismiss legitimate concerns as impossible. They constantly shift goal posts and define everything in the way they want it. Having an honest or equal discussion with such people is almost impossible. It is quite possible for two people to hold completely different opinions on an issue but when one side keeps denying facts or when another tries to keep pushing narrative it is a fruitless exercise. How can you have a discussion with someone who does not even view objective reality in the same way as you do?

Please provide a link and a quote to someone arguing this very argument that you think SJWs make. Thank you.

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A hate crime is when it is considered more serious to assault a person of another race than it is to assault a person of your own race. As I said. Nonsense.

No, that is not what a hate crime is. The FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.”

Both victims are human beings and their attackers deserve the same punishment. Simply enforcing existing laws would work just fine, but being this is America we always choose to pass more laws rather than actually enforcing existing laws. Hate laws are politically motivated and politically enforced to the detriment of whites. Their enforcement defies the realities of our society and they need to be eliminated.

And now you seem to not understand how people are charged with hate crimes.

A hate crime is not a separate crime. It is a way of categorising those crimes (for which we already have laws that prohinit them) that are motivated by prejudice. The perpetrators get charged with the crime they committed, and the fact that it is a hate crime only comes into play during sentencing.

[maz]

There has yet to be a single person arguing that this is not a hate crime.

Maybe not on this forum, but yes, there are pundits and probably people on social media who say that the attack was not racially motivated.

Crazy CNN Panelist Blames TRUMP For Kidnapped, Tortured White Man — ‘That Is Not A Hate Crime’ [VIDEO]

During a panel discussion on CNN Wednesday night, Symone Sanders blamed an unlikely source for the kidnapping of a white, Chicago man who was mentally disabled.

For some reason, Sanders accused Donald Trump for forcing the four black assailants to torture their victim and record it, all while screaming, “fuck Donald Trump! Fuck white people!”

“We’ve talked about white nationalists and white supremacists and the KKK, but there also, when this inflammatory rhetoric is out there, when someone is repeatedly telling you that your community is the worst of the worst, it brings out the worst of the worst in people.”

Sanders also claimed that the incident — again, committed by four black teens torturing a white teen while screaming, “fuck white people!” — was not in fact a hate crime.

“That is not a hate crime,” she blindly stated. “Hate crimes are because of a person’s racial ethnicity, their religion, their gender, a disability, it isn’t your political leanings, because someone doesn’t like you’re political leanings and they do something bad to you, that is not a hate crime.” (RELATED: Chicago PD Hesitant To Call Kidnapping, Torture Of White Man A Hate Crime)

[One Degree]

No, that is not what a hate crime is. The FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.”

This is the definition for statistical data of the FBI. It has nothing to do with hate crime laws which are passed and defined by the individual states.

[Pants-of-dog]

Maybe not on this forum, but yes, there are pundits and probably people on social media who say that the attack was not racially motivated.

Crazy CNN Panelist Blames TRUMP For Kidnapped, Tortured White Man — ‘That Is Not A Hate Crime’ [VIDEO]

So that's one person.

No doubt you will generalise and accuse all non-Trumpists of believing this.

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This is the definition for statistical data of the FBI. It has nothing to do with hate crime laws which are passed and defined by the individual states.

Feel free to provide evidence for your claim.