[Beren]

Bashar Al-Assad Never Called Me Goyim

Assad did nothing wrong and here's why.

CHARLES LYONS | September 9, 2017



Recently, in a publication called The Intercept, Mariam Elba pondered the question, "Why do White nationalists love Bashar Al-Assad?" She arrived at some interesting conclusions. Ultimately, I’d say she was close but no cigar. She gave it the ole college try though. This goes out to all you Fake News media outlets out there, maybe the next time you have a question about the Alt Right, why not just ask us why we believe what we believe? It seems like that would be a lot easier than attempting to construct a narrative based on sources who do not have a clue what is going on but I digress… Let’s examine her preconceived notions about what she thinks we believe, shall we?

We are brain-washed by the Syrian government

The first explanation that Elba offers up to her readership is that the Alt Right has been duped by Syrian propaganda:

There’s a simple explanation for how the American far-right became curiously infatuated with the Arab totalitarian leader: Their hearts were won over by the Assad family’s years-old propaganda campaign at home in Syria. Assad’s authoritarianism uses the same buzzwords as the far-right to describe the society he’s trying to build in his own country — a pure, monolithic society of devotees to his own power. American neo-Nazis see Assad as a hero.

Now I don’t know about you fellow reader but I can only speak for myself, I have never seen any Syrian propaganda before in my life (though now I’m curious). However, I have seen endless amounts of anti-Assad propaganda from the Fake News mainstream media here in the United States. Where to begin?

“Assad has weapons of mass destruction!”

“Assad is a threat to democracy!”

“Assad is literally gassing his own people!”

I could go on but the message is clear: Assad is a big evil Bogeyman and the United States has to take him out. Where have we heard this narrative before? Iraq. After the Iraq War, let’s just say I am a little skeptical of this narrative. Also, how do we know that replacing Assad will be better for Syria? Look at Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Arguably, these countries are now worse off than before our intervention and nation-building.

Based on what we are seeing, we see that Russia and Syria are trying to fight ISIS and that sounds like a noble mission to me.

We are not brain-washed by Syrian propaganda, we are burnt out on Fake News propaganda.

We want a “healthy” and “homogenous” society

Notice the scare quotes from Elba.

Assad’s vision of creating a “healthy” and “homogenous” society is what white nationalists have aspired to create for themselves. We don’t need to look as far back as Hitler’s Third Reich to see what their world vision could be. We only need to look at Syria today.

“Healthy” and “homogenous” sounds scary. I know when I think of “healthy” functioning democracies, I think of multicultural “paradises” like South Africa, Afghanistan, and Brazil. She’s not wrong in saying that we want those things. We in the Alt Right do want ethnically homogenous and healthy societies. However, to want such a thing means that you are literally Hitler which is a nice way of saying you are pure evil.

We do want a healthy and homogenous society but we could really care less if that’s what Bashar Al-Assad wants for Syria. Wanting to preserve your own ethnic group is not evil either. It’s a perfectly normal thing to want.

We are puppets of the Russians

You can’t have an article kvetching about the ascendant American right-wing without invoking that it is all some secret Russian conspiracy.

Alexander Reid Ross, a lecturer of geography at Portland State University and author of the new book, “Against the Fascist Creep,” said Assad is a figure that is central to a realization of “Eurasianism.” The notion “holds that Russia will lead the world out of a dark age of materialism and toward an ultranationalist rebirth of homogenous ethno-states federated under a heterogeneous spiritual empire,” Reid Ross said.

In other words, the Assad dynasty, with the strong backing of Vladimir Putin’s authoritarian state in Russia, is the Middle East’s leading force toward creating a society that is spiritually, socially, and politically “pure.” Cosmopolitanism, with diversity in political thought and social identity, is an obstacle for those aiming to realize this vision.

Not wanting to have your countrymen killed off in war means that you are a Eurasianist shill and tool of the Kremlin. OF COURSE! While the works of Alexander Dugin do make their rounds in our circles, I can confidently say that the Russians are not paying us to undermine the US government. For anyone who has read Dugin, to be a “Eurasianist” means to belong to this global coalition of both left-wing and right-wing forces who are opposed to “Atlanticism” which is what Dugin calls globalism. So whether you are an ally of the Russian government or you wish to remain neutral or isolationist in regards to globalist interventions, you are a de facto member of this Eurasianist coalition. So that means folks like Assad, Hezbollah, North Korea, Russia, Syriza and Golden Dawn in Greece, Vlaams Belang in Belgium, le Front Nationale and le Nouvelle Droite in France, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan and the Alt Right are all part of this Eurasianist coalition because we are all opposed to globalism in some way or another. Globalists are just so drunk on their own Kool-Aid that they cannot possibly imagine that there are people who are opposed to their deracinated, morally degenerate, multicultural Hellish vision for the future of the world.

Here’s the real reason why we support Bashar Al-Assad

The Alt Right believes in the sovereignty of peoples and we recognize that Syria is a sovereign nation and that Bashar Al-Assad is their rightful ruler. We do not have the authority to tell other people in other nations how to live their lives. We believe in a multipolar world and do not want to see the “McDonaldization” of the entire planet to make the rest of world look like New York City. Most White Americans do not even want their own country to be a multicultural degenerate Hellhole so why would we wish that on the rest of the world?

Most of the Alt Right used to be in the Ron Paul movement back during his campaigns in 2008 and 2012. One of the key elements of Ron Paul’s campaign was a foreign policy of non-interventionism meaning we should only go to war in self-defense and we should mind our own business. Many in the Alt Right are also veterans who served in those wars and now see what has become of our reckless foreign policy.

After the failed wars and beginning to examine the racial issues back home, many of us decided to do some research about what the heck is happening to our country. We began to look closer at American foreign policy and began to notice one too many (((coincidences))). We all read the brilliant work of Kevin MacDonald. We began to see that this globalist foreign policy was not in the interest of White Americans. All these neoconservative wars overseas were to advance the geopolitical interests of Israel and Zionism.

We want a foreign policy that represents the interests of our people. The best foreign policy for White Americans, and for the rest of the world, is a policy of America First – not neocon globalist wars and nation-building. We can co-exist in a multipolar world with people who we disagree with as long as they live on their side of the planet and mind their own business. If they can mind their own business and we can mind our own business, then we can have peace. The Alt Right is the religion of peace. So long as our government is trying to destroy the lives of people all across this world, we will protest their actions.

As far as I know goyim is plural, but it's an interesting article anyways.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

Moved to appropriate forum.

[Beren]

[ThirdTerm]

In a video that was posted on Twitter, three men who took part in the Charlottesville protests talk about their support for Assad, the notorious Syrian leader accused of killing thousands of his own people. One of the men is wearing a T-shirt that reads “Bashar’s Barrel Delivery Co.”

"Support the Syrian Arab army," one of them says.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-08-14/ ... rias-assad

There were only three people who voiced their support for Assad on Twitter during the Charlottesville protests. The OP's article concludes that the alt-right movement is influenced by Ron Paul's antiwar stance but I don't believe they are really that smart. Ron Paul was only loosely affiliated with white nationalists, which he vehemently denied. I think some of them love Assad because he's murdering Muslims in the most brutal way imaginable. The assertion that the alt-right is the religion of peace is laughable.

[MadMonk]

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/08/syr ... ttesville/

Why white nationalists love Bashar Al-Assad

It shouldn't be surprising that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has become an idol among white nationalists in the United States.

During the white nationalist “Unite the Right” rally several weeks ago in Charlottesville, Virginia, Baked Alaska, an infamous far-right YouTuber, livestreamed an encounter with a demonstrator wearing a T-shirt that read “Bashar’s Barrel Delivery Co.” The shirt alluded to the Assad regime’s frequent, horrific use of barrel bombs — weapons employed to indiscriminately target rebel-held areas of Syria.

That rally-goer shouted, “Support the Syrian Arab Army!” and “Assad did nothing wrong!” They gloated over how Assad can “solve this whole ISIS problem” with just two chemical bombs. James Fields, the 20-year-old white supremacist who allegedly rammed his car into a crowd of counterprotesters, killing Heather Heyer, posted a portrait of Assad, in military regalia and aviator sunglasses to Facebook. A superimposed caption read: “UNDEFEATED.”

Assad is a key figure in confirming the white nationalist worldview. “Holding on to Syria,” Reid Ross said, “marks for them a crucial foothold in a larger geopolitical mission — one that has everything to do with that spiritual purity associated with family, tradition, and nation.” To the far right, Assad is at the front lines in the fight against the Islamic State and, more broadly, the forces of “Islamic terrorism” in the Middle East under a nationalist banner that looks very much like their own.

Facists admiring facists, nothing more to se here.

[Beren]

The OP's article concludes that the alt-right movement is influenced by Ron Paul's antiwar stance but I don't believe they are really that smart.

It exactly says that they used to be in the Ron Paul movement which is something like being in the Brexit movement or UKIP in Britain, I don't see how someone needs to be smart to do that. The really interesting thing is that the Alt Right may be a Republican movement with Libertarian roots, something like the Tea Party with a fascist spin actually.

I think some of them love Assad because he's murdering Muslims in the most brutal way imaginable.

And maybe because he's anti-Zionist too.

Facists admiring facists, nothing more to se here.

The Russians support the European far-right as well, so why would they not do the same in America too if it seems to benefit them? It's very tempting to connect the dots between Trump, the Alt Right, and the Russians. I wonder when they begin to admire Putin openly, which is only one step away from admiring Assad. I can hardly imagine someone loving Assad without being a Putin-fan.

[skinster]

That article was awful and stated really dumb shit like a million were killed by Assad when the figure is around half a million and at least a fifth of those dead are Syrian army soldiers

Most of The Intercept's reporting on Syria - especially the bullshit that comes from the sectarian twat Maz Hussain - is disappointing.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

It's funny how this article is being used to imply that if you don't support the Western funding and training and and arming of jihadists in Syria since 2013, a "secular, moderate" group of rebels who collectively want to remove the evil secular laws of Syria currently being defended by evil Assad and replace some of them with Sharia law (and who want to eliminate evil Assad's protection of religious and ethnic minorities in Syria) and who routinely work directly alongside either ISIS or Al Qaeda factions, then obviously you must be a fascist or something.

After all, what kind of pinko commie fascist would have insisted, for 4 years, that it was plain-as-fucking-day the CIA was involved in the "spontaneous uprising" against Assad, only for that information to be admitted to by the US government, and then unpatriotically and treasonously say that Western involvement in Syria, in arming and enabling head-chopping barbarian slavers to slaughter countless numbers of civilians and soldiers alike, is fucked?

[Beren]

Sure, leftists can be pro-Assad too, you don't need to be a Fascist for that. Maybe they should hold pro-Assad rallies and demonstrate for a Molotov-Ribbentrop statue together.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

Westerners, like yourself, implicitly support quasi-fascist regimes like that in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf, where incorrect thoughts are punished, behavior can be tightly controlled by morality police, there is state-supported racism towards people of Persian descent living in the eastern part of Arabia, state-supported oppression and murder/terror against Shiites, and where the State owns and controls most of the economy. An all-powerful dictator, of sorts, runs the show, and who has people tortured and killed for speaking against him.

You have no moral legs to stand on concerning Syria, nor a foundation to accuse leftists of being fascist ( ) when people like yourself implicitly support fascism, of a sort, for pointing out that Syria is better with Assad, who is in fact a dictator, than with Islamists being backed by the CIA (and Turkey, the Gulf, EU, etc).

Leftists like myself would prefer to see Syria in the hands of a truly socialist government. Assad, for now, is the better of two options.

[skinster]

Post on this article about how The Intercept used an incorrect translation to demonize Assad.

‘The Intercept’ Tries To Conflate Opposition To US Syria Intervention With Neo-Nazism

[Beren]

Westerners, like yourself, implicitly support quasi-fascist regimes like that in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf

I have expressed many times that I'm against the Saudi regime and Zionism too, however, I'm just pointing out that criticising the Alt Right while supporting Assad is somewhat inconsistent. It seems it's foreign policy issues that bring Commies, Fascists, and Libertarians together in America, because they embrace the same foreign policies basically.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

I have expressed many times that I'm against the Saudi regime and Zionism too, however, I'm just pointing out that criticising the Alt Right while supporting Assad is somewhat inconsistent. It seems it's foreign policy issues that bring Commies, Fascists, and Libertarians together in America, because they embrace the same foreign policies basically.

I can appreciate that, and I hope you now understand that favoring Assad over the rebels means nothing, ideologically speaking, in the same way that your support for the EU doesn't mean you support the EU's promotion of Islamic terrorism, support for quasi-fascist regimes and other run-of-the-mill dictatorships, etc. It would be like me pointing out the inconsistency of people who criticize others who support Assad, while they themselves support something like the EU which promotes terrorism and supports dictatorships around the world.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill if you think all those groups are being brought together, or otherwise working together, simply because there's a guy with an opinion who wrote an article on it.

[Beren]

I can appreciate that, and I hope you now understand that favoring Assad over the rebels means nothing, ideologically speaking, in the same way that your support for the EU doesn't mean you support the EU's promotion of Islamic terrorism, support for quasi-fascist regimes and other run-of-the-mill dictatorships, etc. It would be like me pointing out the inconsistency of people who criticize others who support Assad, while they themselves support something like the EU which promotes terrorism and supports dictatorships around the world.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill if you think all those groups are being brought together, or otherwise working together, simply because there's a guy with an opinion who wrote an article on it.

Well, it's not the EU that makes the world go round, it's just a trading power and a US-ally. The issue with the EU is whether it should be an all-out US-ally as long as the number one pillar of US foreign policy is its total alliance with Saudi Arabia and Israel, and as the EU gets stronger it becomes less pro-US in that regard. I also support Obama among others because he's still less pro-Zionist and pro-Saudi than the Bush administration was or the Trump administration is.

However, the real point is that there seems to be a basic agreement among those who oppose the status quo, or the establishment, on foreign policy issues in the US. But I didn't even mean to talk about it here, because I meant to discuss the Alt Right only, it's you who brings it in the thread that leftists also support Assad, because that's how you can join the debate. I still wonder actually whether how I used the article to imply that only Fascists can be pro-Assad. It may be because Assad looks like a Fascist dictator on that photo completely.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

However, the real point is that there seems to be a basic agreement among those who oppose the status quo, or the establishment, on foreign policy issues in the US. But I didn't even mean to talk about it here, because I meant to discuss the Alt Right only, it's you who brings it in the thread that leftists also support Assad, because that's how you can join the debate. I still wonder actually whether how I used the article to imply that only Fascists can be pro-Assad. It may be because Assad looks like a Fascist dictator on that photo completely.

I brought it up because the article is clearly being used to imply a connection between fascists and Assad although, as we know, supporting a Gulf dictatorship doesn't mean one supports Islamic extremism.

The article is also being used to imply that the Alt-Right, by and large, shares the same foreign policy values, and that they mostly support Assad. This is a lot to take in from the opinion of one alt-right guy, considering that it's inaccurate to think that the far-right, libertarians, and other right-leaning people in America are as isolationist, or at least non-interventionist as they seem. While many of them vocally either oppose intervention in Syria or support Assad (two entirely different things, and the latter is more complicated than "anyone who supports Assad is a fascist"), the right (the alt right, far right, moderate right, etc) has a near-worship for the US military, and many do support foreign intervention on the grounds of American exceptionalism.

Many of them do support Assad, but many don't. Many see it as a war between capitalism and right-nationalism, or the US and Russia/China, or however they want to picture it, and others see it as an American duty to expand the free market or liberate people or democracy and whatever. It's a little more complicated than the article makes it sound.

[Beren]

I brought it up because the article is clearly being used to imply a connection between fascists and Assad although, as we know, supporting a Gulf dictatorship doesn't mean one supports Islamic extremism.

But if one supports Islamic extremism, then he can be expected to support the Gulf states too. So not all Assad-supporters are Fascists, but Fascists support Assad, as they mostly do and have been doing on PoFo for a long time.

The article is also being used to imply that the Alt-Right, by and large, shares the same foreign policy values, and that they mostly support Assad. This is a lot to take in from the opinion of one alt-right guy, considering that it's inaccurate to think that the far-right, libertarians, and other right-leaning people in America are as isolationist, or at least non-interventionist as they seem.

The issue actually is whether the Alt Right as a political organisation or a political ideology supports Assad/isolation/non-intervention/etc. in general or not. Does it support a huge and general paradigm shift in US foreign policy? It seems to me that it does and most alt-right people do, whereas those who still believe in American exceptionalism and worship the military remain mainstream Republicans mostly.

[foxdemon]

Maybe use the terms 'anti-establishment right' and 'establishment right'. The same idea can be applied to the left. Hard left is 'anti- establishment' and liberal left is 'establishment left'.

Alt-right and antifa are both anti-establishment but are oppositional none the less.

[mikema63]

understand that favoring Assad over the rebels means nothing, ideologically speaking

Without any practical reason to support Assad over the rebels then I suspect it must mean something. Perhaps not ideologically but it's not some empty position that's just a meaningless triviality. Particularly when it defended with the vigour you and skinster have for the issue.

You guys seem more than happy to see my lack of support for Assad as a serious flaw in my thinking as well.

If nothing else it represents a strong dislike of American foreign policy. Which has interesting implications for the alt right sharing the position.

[skinster]

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

Without any practical reason to support Assad over the rebels then I suspect it must mean something.

Huh? What? I've posted, many times, with rationales for supporting Assad over the rebels, not simply here in this thread but literally everywhere else. I even posted some of them here. I don't support Assad over the rebels randomly or simply because I feel like putting on that hat today, you know.

Perhaps not ideologically but it's not some empty position that's just a meaningless triviality. Particularly when it defended with the vigour you and skinster have for the issue.

You misunderstand what I meant by "ideologically" nothing: anyone, of any political leaning, can support Assad, or support the rebels, for a variety of different reasons. That's what I meant by saying it means nothing, ideologically speaking, because supporting either side doesn't actually mean you're a fascist or a socialist or a communist or a liberal or anything else.

You guys seem more than happy to see my lack of support for Assad as a serious flaw in my thinking as well.

I certainly can't speak for Dr. @skinster, outer space and water planet scientist, but I have never said that about you. You have the right to your opinion, and I understand why you have your position on Syria, but I don't think you're stupid or mentally deranged.

If nothing else it represents a strong dislike of American foreign policy. Which has interesting implications for the alt right sharing the position.

Leftists are generally suspicious and antithetical to American, and many facets of Western, foreign policy.

Many people in the Alt-Right like to eat steak. I like to eat steak. Therefore, interesting implication where we suggest alt-right and leftists are closer than we realize, right?