[anarchist23]

[One Degree]

Secularism is quite humane, compared to ANY religion. Morality exists despite religion.

Religious believers would obviously disagree. If you adhere to any ideological ‘set of beliefs’ there is little distinction from religion. There is no reason to believe secularism is superior. Religion dictates laws to follow. Secular governments dictate laws to follow. Whether or not you wish them to be combined is just a choice. You could even argue separating them causes unnecessary conflict between them like we are seeing in the US.

[SolarCross]

Secularism is quite humane, compared to ANY religion. Morality exists despite religion.

Post-Christian secularism might be somewhat "humane" but that is because of the momentum of the preceding religion. A post-Islamic secularism would be substantially more viscous and heartless eg: Saddam Hussain? Assad?

I would say morality is religion. Secularism is a religion without an obvious god, so in so far as it is religion it can be a morality but without an authority acting as a lodestone for what is right and wrong, it may take any course and because it can take any course the balance of probabilities is that it will take a nastier turn at some point; it could become something ugly and violent very easily, as in fact it already did with nazism or communism.

[Beren]

The anti-trump hysteria coming from "liberals" is scarcely different.

The anti-Hillary hysteria was/is more akin to a Muslim thing, maybe because anti-Hillary people refuse liberalism like Muslims usually do.

[anarchist23]

[One Degree]

I always enjoy atheists demanding their ‘God given rights’.

[anarchist23]

[Hong Wu]

Watch out Trump, 1% of the UK's population was offended enough to sign a petition officially protesting your visit as head of state of the UK's classic ally.

[Beren]

Watch out Trump, 1% of the UK's population was offended enough to sign a petition officially protesting your visit as head of state of the UK's classic ally.

1% (more than 650,000 people?) signing something officially is actually significant, it could be enough to call a referendum. Would you expect 10% or what? Maybe they should have held a referendum on Trump's visit too.

[SolarCross]

Watch out Trump, 1% of the UK's population was offended enough to sign a petition officially protesting your visit as head of state of the UK's classic ally.

It's sort of a testament to the infectiousness of the irrational anti-trump hysteria that even 1% of brits would be bothered enough to sign the petition. What the hell does it have to do with them? I can understand USians working themselves up into a frenzy because, for better or worse, he is their president after all. I don't see either Obama or GWB working up this much froth over here, so what gives?

[anarchist23]

You've got it wrong as per usual. lol

More than 1.3 million people have signed a petition urging the government to call off President Donald Trump's state visit to the UK, amid a row over his recent immigration measures.

BBC

[One Degree]

They should have a voice in US immigration policies because....?

[blackjack21]

Sure we do. You're an old Neo-Nazi racist living in California. That's all the information we need to know to judge you.

Sound familiar?

That's basically libel. I am not a Nazi, as I clearly am not a socialist. I'm generally hostile to state-run enterprises. I also do not propose race-based political or legal solutions. People disagree with the left. That doesn't make such people the embodiment of every attribute the left opposes or whatever strange things enter your imagination. I don't accuse you of being some sort of Anglo child sex tourist in Thailand. I would appreciate the same consideration.

[Godstud]

Socialism is not Nazism. Nazism is fascism, not socialism by any true definition. There's a difference.
The National Socialists completely ignored socialism’s primary aim (replacing the existing class-based society with an egalitarian one in which workers owned the means of production) and substituted their own topsy-turvy agenda, Evans writes, “replacing class with race, and the dictatorship of the proletariat with the dictatorship of the leader”:

The “National Socialists” wanted to unite the two political camps of left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism, borrowing much of its rhetoric in the process, from its self-image as a movement rather than a party, to its much-vaunted contempt for bourgeois convention and conservative timidity.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/ ... ocialists/

I don't accuse you of being some sort of Anglo child sex tourist in Thailand. I would appreciate the same consideration.

Actually, you often infer other irrelevant bullshit. I am tired of it. Stop making where I live an issue, when it's completely irrelevant. You instigated it. I'll stop it when you do, otherwise I am going to come at you twice as hard.

Fair enough?

[Albert]

Twice as hard is not fair. That is like two eyes for an eye. When someone slaps you on the check, slap two of theirs back.

[Godstud]

Fair is in the eye of the beholder. I want to make sure there is a deterrent to any future instigation.

Mind your own business, too.

[Hong Wu]

You've got it wrong as per usual. lol


BBC

I knew someone was going to nitpick through it like a birch tree but I didn't think it'd be you since I was using your numbers when you posted something that said 800,000.

[Godstud]

I always enjoy atheists demanding their ‘God given rights’.

Atheists don't do that, since there are no "god given rights".

Sorry, @SolarCross, your bullshit argument is just that. Ill conceived and myopic. Humanism transcends religion. Humanism doesn't rely on religion as a basis for anything. What is good for humanity and society has always transcended religion. Only religious arrogance would say that morality has to have religion linked to it.

[anarchist23]

You've got it wrong as per usual. lol

I knew someone was going to nitpick through it like a birch tree but I didn't think it'd be you since I was using your numbers when you posted something that said 800,000.

Yes. All I posted was a front page of a national newspaper for the headlines.
I'll give you a tip.
Always check figures for accuracy.



EDIT
I'll be in central London for the demonstration by midday.

[Ter]

I'll be in central London for the demonstration by midday.

Well I don't see eye to eye with you on many political issues but I have to admire your stamina to participate in demonstrations and going to rave parties at your age. Respect.