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Police investigate UK man for retweeting poem mocking men who say they’re ‘women’

January 25, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – In one of the strangest and most terrifying news items I’ve seen in recent years, a docker from Humberside in Northern England was informed by police that had become the subject of a formal investigation after he retweeted a limerick making fun of transgenderism which apparently included the (undeniably true) lines, “Your breasts are made of silicone, your vagina goes nowhere.”

This retweet, 53-year-old Harry Miller was told by a police officer, was a “hate incident” against the transgender community.

Miller, who describes himself as “just a hairy-a***ed docker who swears, drinks and watched football,” was contacted by a “community cohesion officer” this past Wednesday in response to a complaint about his Twitter activity. The officer noted that Miller had sent out at least thirty tweets that could be considered offensive, with the most egregious being the limerick tweet which accurately implied that transgender “women” are not, in fact, biological women. The officer, who told Miller that no crime been committed but that his social media activity was going to be recorded as a “hate incident,” even took it upon himself to explain to the machinery dealer that he had taken a course given by a transgender person and that “you can have a foetus with a female brain that grows male body parts and that’s what a transgender person is.”

Miller first realized police were hunting for him when his company’s bosses let him know that officers had shown up looking for him, as the anonymous complainant had apparently managed to figure out where Miller worked despite the fact that information about his employment or actual identity are not on his Twitter account. The complainant apparently also told the police that Miller’s workplace was an “unsafe environment” for transgender people due to Miller’s track record of tweets.

The police confirmed to the Telegraph that they had met with Miller, with the officer who initiated the meeting noting that, “Although none of the tweets were criminal, I said to Mr. Miller that the limerick is the kind of thing that upsets the transgender community. I warned him that if it escalates we will have to take further action.”

During the meeting, Miller demanded to know why the person who had complained about his tweets was being described by the officer as a “victim,” when his social media use constituted no crime. At that point, the officer informed him, in a chillingly Orwellian fashion that should send shivers down the spine of every free-thinking person, that he had come to see Miller because, “We need to check your thinking.”

The married father of four, in other words, was guilty of having the wrong thoughts—and even worse, expressing those thoughts publicly. The fact that his primary sin was to send a tweet that noted that transgender “women” are not biological women, which is a simple matter of fact, shows what a grotesque case of gaslighting this is.

It gets even worse. According to the Telegraph, crime in Humberside has been spiking: Violent crimes are up by 24%, robberies are up 17%, and the crime rate is well above the national average, resulting in nearly 200 extra cops being put on the beat in the past year. Despite that, the Humberside Police could still quite literally take the time to act as the thought police, sending an officer to an admittedly innocent man’s home to harass him about tweets that transgender people might not like. Their spokesperson responded sanctimoniously to media calls by stating that, “We take all reports of hate incidents seriously and will always investigate and take proportionate action.”

Getting a visit from the police for expressing unpopular biological facts, it turns out, is entirely “proportionate.” Social justice warriors are bad enough—social justice cops are downright scary.

Miller, for his part, was understandably stunned. Despite just being an average guy, he told the Telegraph, “I have a wife, a mother and daughters, and when it comes to their rights and safety and those of women everywhere, men need to speak up…I can’t believe what is happening in the UK in the name of transgenderism and, worse still, we’re not even allowed to think never mind talk about it.”

He’s not the only one, either. Miller says that he’s been getting messages nonstop from people who are actually “terrified” to speak out on the issue of transgenderism because they’re afraid of what the police might do. This isn’t surprising: Some critics of transgenderism have ended up in British courts for expressing their opinions, and a mother of two was arrested in December at the behest of a biological man identifying as a woman.

The police visit does not appear to have had the intended effect on Miller, who is furious. “The only way to protect freedom of speech is to keep bloody speaking,” he told the Telegraph. He’s now discussing the idea of doing a “limerick tour” of police headquarters with the woman (her Twitter handle is “Restless Ellie”) who wrote the offending poem, which is titled “You’re a man” and reads as follows:

You're a man.
Your breasts are made of silicone
Your vagina goes nowhere
And we can tell the difference

Even when you are not there
Your hormones are synthetic
And lets just cross this bridge
What you have you stupid man
Is male privilege.

You’re a man, you’re a man
We can say it, yes we can
That you’ll never be a woman
Even if that is your plan

Every cell is coded male
From your birth until the grave
You are simply a man
Neither stunning nor brave

Your penis isn’t womanly
Your wig is poorly made
Your idea of womanhood
Just doesn’t make the grade

You think we are just caricatures
Or porn tropes for your use
You pretend that you can be us
But it’s merely more abuse

Your great big hands and manly head
Are difficult to hide
A hand in front of Adam’s fruit
Proof does not provide

That you have changed your actual sex
Because your brain is pink
It’s laughable to those of us
Who can actually think.

Miller, for his part, has already retweeted the poem again, changed his Twitter handle to “Harry the Owl—Limerick Criminal,” and is doing rounds of media interviews. In these insane times we live in, a docker can become an activist overnight because trans activists are willing to persecute anyone in their totalitarian attempts to stamp out any opposition to their nonsensical ideology—and truth itself.

The police officer literally said "We need to check your thinking." :lol:

It gives you an idea why people might be a bit reluctant to publicly speak up on this issue.

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Another one:


Police response:


"We just want you to know you are on our radar."
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By Sivad
#14985971
“I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”

― H.G. Wells(Godfather of American Liberalism)


03:33 Jonah's book "Liberal Fascism" mocked, praised
11:30 What is fascism?
23:31 Why political history still matters
44:42 Public education: a mixed legacy
57:00 Is Hillary a fascist?
01:11 The white male is the Jew of liberal fascism
By Rich
#14985972
They are not women, although it must be said that a lot of the young men now presenting themselves as transgender have been messed up by their parents. Cultural Marxism is utterly demented as Marxism is. What we are seeing from Cultural Marxists in the identity sphere is the same hate filled nihilism that lead traditional Marxists to produce the Holdomor and the genocidal starvation of the great leap forward in the economic sphere.
#14985980
What I still don't understand is why progressives have decided this is *the* issue on which to lose most of the restraint they've previously shown. It must be just coincidence, because it makes no logical sense.
#14985984
https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/523/against-multiculturalism
Multiculturalism is the product of political defeat. The end of the Cold War, the collapse of the left, the defeat of most liberation movements in the third world and the demise of social movements in the West, have all transformed political consciousness. The quest for equality has increasingly been abandoned in favour of the claim to a diverse society. Campaigning for equality means challenging accepted practices, being willing to march against the grain, to believe in the possibility of social transformation. Conversely, celebrating differences between peoples allows us to accept society as it is – it says little more than "We live in a diverse world, enjoy it". As the American writer Nancy Fraser has put it, "The remedy required to redress injustice will be cultural recognition, as opposed to political-economic redistribution." Indeed so deeply attached are multiculturalists to the idea of cultural, as opposed to economic or political justice, that David Bromwich is led to wonder whether intellectuals today would oppose economic slavery if it lacked any racial or cultural dimension.

Not only is the demand for 'recognition' the product of political pessimism, it is also a means of implementing deeply authoritarian policies. Consider, for instance, Tariq Madood's distinction between what he calls the "equality of individualism" and the "equality encompassing public ethnicity: equality as not having to hide or apologise for one's origins, family or community, but requiring others to show respect for them, and adapt public attitudes and arrangements so that the heritage they represent is encouraged rather than contemptuously expect them to wither away."

Why should I, as an atheist, be expected to show respect for Christian, Islamic or Jewish cultures whose views and arguments I often find reactionary and often despicable? Why should public arrangements be adapted to fit in with the backward, misogynistic homophobic claims that religions make? What is wrong with me wishing such cultures to "wither away"? And how, given that I do view these and many other cultures with contempt, am I supposed to provide them with respect, without disrespecting my own views? Only, the philosopher Brian Barry suggests "with a great deal of encouragement from the Politically Correct Thought Police".
#14986011
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:What I still don't understand is why progressives have decided this is *the* issue


I don't think they decided on this issue, they've spent the last half century cultivating this ideology and now that it has infected every bureaucracy, agency, and organization in the West it's beginning to aggressively assert itself in an attempt to establish hegemonic dominance.
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Sivad wrote:
I don't think they decided on this issue, they've spent the last half century cultivating this ideology and now that it has infected every bureaucracy, agency, and organization in the West it's beginning to aggressively assert itself in an attempt to establish hegemonic dominance.

I've had similar thoughts which is why I also mentioned that it's probably coincidence. It probably just so happens that they now feel confident enough and has nothing to do with the issue itself.
#14986017
Every cell is coded male
From your birth until the grave
You are simply a man
Neither stunning nor brave


The SRY gene is genetically female for some transgender males. Among them, there are some cases of anatomically male with XX chromosomes, which makes them karoytypically female but gonadally male. In general, a single amino acid change from methionine to isoleucine in the SRY gene can cause an embryo with XY sex chromosomes to develop as a female. Gender identity is more about genetics and less about behavioral, cultural, or social circumstances.

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Figure 1
Breeding of XXSry+ males with XX females results in offspring of four different genotype/phenotype combinations that in two cases demonstrate mismatches in terms of genetic vs. phenotypic sex of the gonad and likely the brain, as well. The resulting phenotypes could be due to a direct effect of the Sry gene or secondary alteration in gonadal sex steroid hormones.

The breeding scheme with this transgenic mouse model above gives rise to the “four-core genotypes—FCG” mouse model ​(Figure1; Arnold and Chen, 2009). Offspring from these mated pairs can be one of four different genotypes: XX (karotypically and gonadally female), XXSry+ (karoytypically female but gonadally male due to presence of autosomal Sry transgene), XYSry− (karyoptically male but gonadally female due to deletion of endogenous Sry gene), and XYSry+ (karyotypically and gonadally male). Behavioral testing with the FCG model that uncouples the potential effects of Sry from other Y chromosome-associated genes and mice gonadectomized at adulthood demonstrates that mice with two XX chromosomes consumed more food during daylight hours and had increased adiposity than XY mice (Chen et al., 2012). However, no Sry-related or sex chromosome dependent differences were detected in locomotor or anxiety-related measures (McPhie-Lalmansingh et al., 2008). In this study, however, differences in social behaviors between the FCG were noted. Female XYSry− mice spent more time following and sniffing an intruder compared to XX female mice. XX females were more likely to engage in asocial and digging behaviors compared to XXSry+ male mice.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5696354/
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Kaiserschmarrn wrote: It probably just so happens that they now feel confident enough and has nothing to do with the issue itself.


I do think this issue will be more aggressively policed because the movement revolves around identity fetishism and group rights. And it could be somewhat strategic because according special rights and privileges to historically oppressed minority groups allows the liberal establishment to erode individual rights without appearing as the fascistically minded authoritarians they really are. It's worth noting that social status determined by group identity was a central element of classical fascism. The liberals accuse conservatives of demonizing and scapegoating minorities and call that a form of "proto-fascism" while they're doing the same exact thing to the straight white male, or as Jonah Goldberg put it "the straight white male is the Jew of liberal fascism."
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ThirdTerm wrote:The SRY gene is genetically female for some transgender males. Among them, there are some cases of anatomically male with XX chromosomes. In general, a single amino acid change from methionine to isoleucine in the SRY gene can cause an embryo with XY sex chromosomes to develop as a female. Gender identity is more about genetics and less about behavioral, cultural, or social circumstances.

Yes, there are exceptions when it comes to genetics. They come under intersex conditions not "gender identity" and are extremely rare. They should not be co-opted by or confused with the transgender cause.

As for gender identity being more about genetics, here's a study that looked at genes in people with gender dysphoria. The genes they found may well play a role but that needs to be confirmed.

I would rephrase your last sentence as gender identity is more about biology (not necessarily only genetics), at least for those people in whom it persists from a young age into adulthood.

Sivad wrote:I do think this issue will be more aggressively policed because the movement revolves around identity fetishism and group rights. And it could be somewhat strategic because according special rights and privileges to historically oppressed minority groups allows the liberal establishment to erode individual rights without appearing as the fascistically minded authoritarians they really are. It's worth noting that social status determined by group identity was a central element of classical fascism. The liberals accuse conservatives of demonizing and scapegoating minorities and call that a form of "proto-fascism" while they're doing the same exact thing to the straight white male, or as Jonah Goldberg put it "the straight white male is the Jew of liberal fascism."

Don't all progressive issues involve groups and associated identities? It seems to me that's the totality of their moral universe.

I'm sure there are plenty of opportunists in the establishment, but considering that progressive zealots are a small minority, they still have extremely outsized influence. There are far too many conformists and cowards all the way up to the highest level which makes it much easier for a minority who wants to take over and dominate institutions. It would be helpful if our merit model selected for a measure of contrarianism or similar trait which makes it less likely for people to just go along.
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Kaiserschmarrn wrote:What I still don't understand is why progressives have decided this is *the* issue on which to lose most of the restraint they've previously shown. It must be just coincidence, because it makes no logical sense.

Clearly, there must be some very wealthy transgender folks in trans-Atlantic politics. Frankly, I think that is why they are so triggered by Vladimir Putin. I think it was Putin's anti-LBGT propaganda laws that sent them over the edge about Russia more than annexing Crimea.

Sivad wrote:I don't think they decided on this issue, they've spent the last half century cultivating this ideology and now that it has infected every bureaucracy, agency, and organization in the West it's beginning to aggressively assert itself in an attempt to establish hegemonic dominance.

Where establishment politicians follow the "squeaky wheel gets the oil" philosophy, their acquiescence to what was defined as a mental illness 40 years ago and attempt to punish people for thinking such clearly peculiar traits and characteristics are bizarre seems like something that is going to backfire on them in a big way.

Kaiserschmarrn wrote:It probably just so happens that they now feel confident enough and has nothing to do with the issue itself.

I'm convinced it's the influence of money on soft-minded politicians. Kennedy's opinion on Obergefell was such utter bullshit that a first year law student before Obergefell probably would have been flunked out of law school or expelled for malicious mischief for submitting such an idea as a sound legal theory. Yet, that load of bullshit came straight out of the United States Supreme Court. I frankly cannot see any other explanation unless you believe in some sort of magical control drugs or some sort of mind control "idiot ray" or something.

ThirdTerm wrote:The SRY gene is genetically female for some transgender males. Among them, there are some cases of anatomically male with XX chromosomes, which makes them karoytypically female but gonadally male. In general, a single amino acid change from methionine to isoleucine in the SRY gene can cause an embryo with XY sex chromosomes to develop as a female. Gender identity is more about genetics and less about behavioral, cultural, or social circumstances.

We have yet to prove this out in humans. If we can, it will be interesting to see if it can result in a pre-natal LBGTQ test and whether the left will be okay with parents aborting LGBTQ foetuses.

Imagine a world in which LGBTQ people are as rare as people with Down Syndrome, because of abortion.
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blackjack21 wrote:Clearly, there must be some very wealthy transgender folks in trans-Atlantic politics. Frankly, I think that is why they are so triggered by Vladimir Putin. I think it was Putin's anti-LBGT propaganda laws that sent them over the edge about Russia more than annexing Crimea.

There's clearly lots of money in it. The majority of budgets from LGBT groups together with their infrastructure and connections seems to be dedicated to the T.

blackjack21 wrote:I'm convinced it's the influence of money on soft-minded politicians. Kennedy's opinion on Obergefell was such utter bullshit that a first year law student before Obergefell probably would have been flunked out of law school or expelled for malicious mischief for submitting such an idea as a sound legal theory. Yet, that load of bullshit came straight out of the United States Supreme Court. I frankly cannot see any other explanation unless you believe in some sort of magical control drugs or some sort of mind control "idiot ray" or something.

Lots of money is a prerequisite, but that has been the case for a long time and doesn't explain the over-confidence and lack of pretense (by going all out on speech restrictions for instance) we've been seeing recently. I think cultural dominance, whether real or perceived, contributes greatly to this.
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By Verv
#14995112
This is a perfect idea for a rolling thread.

I have heard it said, though, that the concept of freedom of speech has never been particularly strong in the UK and that it is only ever brought up to clarify just how limited any such concept is. I would be interested in reading a good and historically grounded take on the history of free speech in the UK.

America really is a radically different country in the sense that it actually truly believes in free speech and has given a legal basis for people to say things that would be treated with great disdain in other places. This is why it is such a disgrace for popular American companies like Twitter to heavily police content and shadow ban people. Here's to hoping Nunes is successful in suing them.
By Rich
#14995457
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:What I still don't understand is why progressives have decided this is *the* issue on which to lose most of the restraint they've previously shown. It must be just coincidence, because it makes no logical sense.

I believe the dynamic was inherent in Liberalism, in the same way the dynamic was inherent in Christianity leading them to the most murderous fratricidal conflicts which to the outsider seem utterly insane. I'm a pragmatic Liberal, I'm not a philosophical Liberal. It is often imagined that there was some kind of sensible classical Liberalism that has been hijacked or replaced by a mad progressive Liberalism. I don't believe this was the case.

In Locke's time abolishing slavery throughout the British Empire was loony left. For the first half of the twentieth century legalising homosexuality was loony left. For the second half of the Twentieth century Gay marraige was loony left. Yet in the recent 2018 US elections was there a single Republican candidate that stood on Gay marriage. Today's loony left Liberal is tomorrows Palaeolithic Conservative.
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Rich wrote:In Locke's time abolishing slavery throughout the British Empire was loony left. For the first half of the twentieth century legalising homosexuality was loony left. For the second half of the Twentieth century Gay marraige was loony left. Yet in the recent 2018 US elections was there a single Republican candidate that stood on Gay marriage. Today's loony left Liberal is tomorrows Palaeolithic Conservative.

That is a Whiggish narrative and completely ahistorical. Christians have had a problem with slavery since its earliest days and it has been banned and censured over and over again over the centuries. It was Christian conservatives that used the British Empire to stamp out slavery because they were Christians not because they were progs. Mediterranean pagans were quite accepting of homosexuality but as they converted to Christianity they adopted the Christian policy on it which comes from the Torah. As Christianity declined in the 20th century so pagan leaning policies enjoy a revival. The whig theory of history is a fraud.
#15005190
What really gets me about the video is that the police say it's just a trial from which they are trying to learn, but they actually stop the guy who covers his face and fine him for "disorderly behaviour".
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