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The poll results underline the growing appeal of Mr Lieberman's hardline nationalist policies, which beside his "no loyalty, no citizenship" demand also includes a plan to redraw the country's borders to make more than 100,000 other Israeli Arabs citizens of the West Bank as part of a land "swap" in which Israel would annex the territory occupied by most West Bank settlements.

Whatever the Intl. media would like to portray Lieberman as dangerous and Fascist his idea for land "swap" is the only reasonable plan for the Middle East conflict (the other one is to give back the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt but both respected countries refuse to get the poisoned prize), in part due to the radicalisation of some of the Israeli Arab political leaders, who have attended events in Syria calling for the desctruction of the State of Israel, and have made statements siding with Hezballah and Hamas. The idea of territorial transfers already appeared in plans that dealt with the final status agreement in the Clinton framework.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 47672.html

Hard man of the right is Israel's kingmaker in waiting

The settler politician dubbed 'Le Pen of the West Bank' wants Israeli Arabs to swear loyalty to the state – or lose their vote

By Donald Macintyre in Umm el Fahm


Friday, 6 February 2009


Avigdor Lieberman once suggested that Arab Knesset members who had talks with Hamas representatives should be executed

Avigdor Lieberman, the far-right politician campaigning on a platform that Israeli Arabs should pledge loyalty to the state or lose their right to vote, has become the pivotal figure in next week's election after two polls showing his party has overtaken Labour.


The Yisrael Beiteinu party headed by the Moldovan-born Mr Lieberman, who lives in a West Bank Jewish settlement and has been depicted by his critics as an Israeli version of Jean-Marie Le Pen or Jorg Haider, is in third place with a projected 19 or 17 seats in two newspaper polls yesterday.

If the party did take that number of seats, it would mean it has performed well beyond its original base among immigrants from the former Soviet Union and is in pole position to emerge as the kingmaker determining whether Likud's Benjamin Netanyahu or Kadima's Tzipi Livni can best form the next coalition government


The leaders of all three main parties have left open the possibility of joining a coalition with Yisrael Beitenu, including Labour's Ehud Barak, who has provoked sharp internal dissent by refusing to rule out the possibility.

The poll results underline the growing appeal of Mr Lieberman's hardline nationalist policies, which beside his "no loyalty, no citizenship" demand also includes a plan to redraw the country's borders to make more than 100,000 other Israeli Arabs citizens of the West Bank as part of a land "swap" in which Israel would annex the territory occupied by most West Bank settlements.

Nowhere do Mr Lieberman's bitterly controversial proposals touch a rawer nerve than in the northern Arab hill city of Umm el Fahm, at the heart of the Wadi Ara triangle. At a stroke, residents would lose their status – and voting rights – as Israeli citizens.

Abu Shakra, director of the town's well-known art gallery, and a long time promoter of co-existence between Jews and Arabs, said he now felt "depressed and frustrated" in the face of the ascendancy of Mr Lieberman, who once proposed the bombing of Egypt's Aswan Dam and suggested that Arab Knesset members who had talks with Hamas representatives should be executed.

Mr Shakra, who is proud that a Jewish Israeli architect, Amnon Bar On, has won an open competition to design the gallery's new premises, recalled that in 1998 Yoko Ono staged a successful exhibition in the town entitled Open Window – dedicated to the idea of inter-community dialogue.

This spirit had been broken once by the outbreak of the second intifada, he said. "It took us eight years' work to build dialogue again and now it is being destroyed, this time by Lieberman." Seeing similarities in Mr Lieberman's rise to that of Hitler in pre-war Germany, Mr Shakra added: "I have many Jewish friends who know that Lieberman is very destructive for all people, Jews as well as Arabs."

Umm el Fahm's sense of becoming a target for the extreme right has been compounded by the provocative plans of Baruch Marzel, an extremist Hebron settler who has criticised Mr Lieberman for not being right wing enough. Mr Marzel intends to spend election day here as a teller at a polling station. Mr Abu Shakra warned: "My own view is that the best thing to do with [Mr Marzel] is to ignore him, but not everybody here thinks like me."

Afo Agbaria, a local surgeon who is a candidate for the Communist joint Arab-Jewish Democratic Front – or Hadash – said that Mr Lieberman's success was a "danger not for Arabs only but for democracy in Israel", adding that history showed that "those fascists that got to the leadership got there by election". But Dr Agbaria insisted that the impact of Mr Lieberman would be to increase voting for the Arab parties – including his own, which he predicted would add a fourth seat in the Knesset. He said a campaign by the Islamic Party to boycott the election would be largely ignored.

Evidence to support this was mixed in the town yesterday. Coffee shop owner Mohammed Jabarin, 50, said that while he would be voting for the Democratic Front and thought Knesset representation was important, public "depression and frustration" because of the war in Gaza and Mr Lieberman's rise would reduce the turnout. He said of the "loyalty" demand: "Arabs in Israel will be loyal when we get our rights." Repeating widespread complaints of anti-Arab discrimination, he added: "This means better job opportunities and rights to own land."

Meanwhile, Farid Juma Agbaria, 63, was – unusually – more sanguine about Mr Lieberman. "He is shouting slogans now but he will stop when he gets to power," he said.

Amal Mahajne, 38, said that, although she was not an Islamic Party member, she would boycott the poll. She said this was not really because of Mr Lieberman: "He may kill us but we are not afraid. We will not get out of our land", but because of Israel's invasion of Gaza. If Labour – led by Defence Minister Barak – "can do this when it pretends to believe in peace, what will the other parties do?" She said that whether she would vote in any subsequent election depended on how the Arab parties performed.

Danny Ayalon, a former Israeli ambassador to Washington, has along with the former Likud MP Uzi Landau helped to lend Mr Lieberman an air of establishment respectability by joining his campaign. Mr Ayalon stopped short this week of saying that the "loyalty test" for Israeli Arabs – under which they would pledge allegiance to the Jewish state and agree to take part in civilian national service – was a precondition for joining other parties in a coalition. He said that it would be "very important" in any talks with potential partners after Tuesday's poll.

He said the loyalty test was a "response" to the fundamental criticisms of Israel levelled over the past 20 to 25 years by "some in the Arab community, basically its leaders, who are the ones inciting the population".

Avigdor Lieberman: In his own words

"If it were up to me I would notify the Palestinian Authority that tomorrow at 10 in the morning we would bomb all their places of business in Ramallah."

"World War Two ended with the Nuremberg trials. The heads of the Nazi regime, along with their collaborators, were executed. I hope this will be the fate of the collaborators in [the Knesset]."

"We'll move the border. We won't have to pay for their unemployment, or health, or education. We won't have to subsidise them any longer."

"When there is a contradiction between democratic and Jewish values, the Jewish and Zionist values are more important."

"A real victory can be achieved only by breaking the will and motivation of Hamas to fight us, as was done to the Japanese in the last days of World War Two."


A plan to redraw the Green Line border with the Palestinian Authority in such a way that the the of the Wadi-Ara region (which was transferred to Israel from Jordan as part of the 1949 Armistice Agreement) will return to Arab sovereignty.

When Israel's war of independence ended in March 1949, the country's prime minister and founding father, David Ben-Gurion, had one final demand from his neighbor, King Abdullah of Jordan. Ben-Gurion asked the king to cede the hills around Wadi Ara, a seasonal riverbed adjacent to the West Bank, to Israel as part of the armistice agreement concluding the war. Otherwise, he said, Israel would take the strategic ridges by force. Abdullah gave in. And Wadi Ara and its Arab population became part of Israel, on the western side of the "Green Line," or armistice line.

60 years later, a lot of Israelis want to give Wadi Ara away. Its ridges, 15 miles southeast of Haifa, are still strategic, but many Israelis have become more anxious about demography than about topography. To them, invading armies from neighboring countries seem a remote danger compared to the rapidly growing Arab population in Israel's midst. And Wadi Ara is full of Arab communities, including Umm el-Fahm, the second largest Palestinian town inside Israel's pre-1967 borders.

The idea of exchanging populated territories was also raised by people from throughout the political spectrum, from Avigdor Lieberman on the right to Ephraim Sneh on the left, and has won the support of some intellectuals. The leading academic preachers of the "demographic threat," Hebrew University demographer Sergio della Pergola and Haifa University geographer Arnon Sopher, advocate the exchange as a potential remedy. The "populated swap" idea was first formulated in 1994 by Yossi Alpher, a researcher from the moderate left who was seeking a quid pro quo for the settlement blocks. Following the events of 2000, it resonated among Israeli Jews.

Mainstream politicians from both the Likud and Labor parties have expressed some support, but only Lieberman, leader of the National Union party, has made it a campaign platform.

On the other hand, the response of Israeli Arabs has generally been reserved, together with their reservations about the very idea of protecting the Jewish character of the state of Israel. However, it is precisely the feelings of Palestinian nationalism that are particularly evident in the Triangle that justify adding that area to the Palestinian national entity. Presumably there, they will be able to fulfill their right to self-determination, not as a minority but as the citizens of a democratic Arab entity.

There is a fundamental problem with the existence of a large Israeli Arab minority in Israel. Israel exists as a Jewish state for the Jewish people and Israeli Arabs can only feel a limited identification with that state, if any at all.
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By muzioler5
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I am not pleased that Lieberman's party received such a high amount of support; but I sort of agree with you that he does bring up a good point in the sense that the 1967 borders ought not to be the end of the conversation. If, and thats a big if, the Arabs in various regions of Israel do not want to be part of the country then that ought to be their choice. The Wadi-Ara and the "triangle" areas ought to have a vote of sorts to decide whether they want to be Israelis or part of a new Palestinian state. If they choose the former, then they have no right to complain about being part of Israel. If they choose the latter, everyone wins.

The whole "loyalty oath" reeks of nationalism; however the underlying idea within Lieberman's plan should be examined... that the people of Israel should be able to choose which community they want to live in.
By Dempsey
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The Wadi-Ara and the "triangle" areas ought to have a vote of sorts to decide whether they want to be Israelis or part of a new Palestinian state. If they choose the former, then they have no right to complain about being part of Israel. If they choose the latter, everyone wins.



No. It should imposed on them. The Wadi Ara people already says they prefer to be part of Israel but it doesn't serve Israel interests. The Arab reservations about the very idea of protecting the Jewish character of the state of Israel is major part of the problem.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 671848.ece

From The TimesFebruary 6, 2009

Israeli politicians offer territory swaps and tunnels to solve the endless crisisJames Hider in Umm al-Fahm

Despite having a population of about 50,000, Umm al-Fahm has no hospital or courthouse of its own, and residents complain of having to travel to nearby Jewish towns to take advantage of basic government facilities. Despite those complaints, Arab Israelis are also not keen to be grafted on to the West Bank, where they believe their living standards would drop even farther.

“It's a better life here,” said Diaa Mohammed, 28, a housewife. “Women have no rights there,” said an older woman. “Everything over there depends on wealth and status.”


77% of Israeli Arabs would rather live in Israel than in any other country in the world". But that does not exclude or contradict the finding that 77 per cent would rather live in Israel, that maybe reflects their feelings about where they would have any chance of doing better financially.

During Lebanon War, for example, a protest that took place in Umm al-Fahm show Arab Israelis yelling "Death to the Jews", you can also see there Arab Israeli MKs, as Ahmad Tibi. Nothing also stops half of the Arab Israelis from saying in another poll that they "justify Hizbullah kidnapping".

During Gaza war Osama Hamdan, Hamas representative said that Israeli Arabs should shake the foundations of Israel from within.


A scandalous security failure

By Ze'ev Schiff

For years the hope in Israel was that the country's Arab citizens would be the "bridge of peace" with the Palestinians. However, the developments on the ground created a different situation. True, a bridge does exist, but it runs in the opposite direction only. That bridge is formed by the category of what is known in Hebrew by its acronym "shabahim" - those who are "illegally present" in Israel - consisting mainly of Palestinians, though also of Jordanians of Palestinian extraction and Egyptians. They have invaded Israel in large numbers, and it was on the wave of that invasion that the suicide bomber who blew up the bus at Meron Junction came to the Arab village of Ba'ana, where he had worked in the past.

Palestinian strategy is riding the crest of this wave; it did not foment the migration of the shabahim but is exploiting it for its own purposes. It is not surprising that the Palestinian Authority is against the building of a hard boundary line between its territory and Israel. They would like people from Jenin, for example, to be able to move easily to Umm al-Fahm, Nazareth and other places. On the one hand, Israel has settlements in the territories, while on the other hand there are masses of Palestinians inside Israel. International law views the move of Israelis into the territories by means of settlements as an act of occupation, whereas the Palestinians' demographic invasion of Israel is perceived as a return home for economic and family reasons.

This Palestinian strategy has succeeded in implementing an important stage in the "right of return." Israeli spokesmen say that Israel will be willing to take in perhaps a few thousand refugees within the framework of family reunification, but at the same time the Israeli authorities observe almost with equanimity the movement of shabahim that has moved tens of thousands of Palestinians into Israel.

According to some estimates, there are no fewer than 150,000 shabahim in Israel at this moment. Even the minimalists speak of about 100,000, with plenty more where they came from. For example, between 7,000 and 14,000 shabahim have taken up residence in the city of Umm al-Fahm, and it is said that fully a third of the residents of the village of Jatt, in the Triangle area, are shabahim. The lone individual Palestinian usually makes the move into Israel in order to make a living, but what signifies is the overall national meaning of this demographic flood.

In the first stage many of the shabahim became a criminal hazard. In the second stage the Palestinian terrorist organizations entered the game: through the shabahim they are able to penetrate various social classes among the Arab citizens of Israel. The shabahim pick up some Hebrew, get to know the terrain, sometimes even striking up relationships with Jewish girls - and as such they are targeted for the needs of Palestinian terrorism, beginning with intelligence missions and extending to the storage and transfer of weapons and explosives. This has become clear from a number of suicide bombings and other terrorist operations. Many shabahim take advantage of their presence in Israel to enter into what the police call a "blue" marriage - in other words, to obtain a blue Israeli ID card and Israeli citizenship. There are also many fictitious marriages.

This is a major, ongoing security scandal compared to which the failure to build the security fence pales in significance. The result is that the criminal threat has become a security threat bearing serious strategic implications and bringing about the erosion of Israeli sovereignty. This situation constitutes total bankruptcy of law enforcement. The operations in which a few shabahim are rounded up and deported are no more than children's games. Many of those who are apprehended return and are re-deported three or four times. This is not only a failure of the police and of the defense establishment, but of the entire government.

The battle to curb and eradicate this phenomenon should not take only the form of building a separation fence, which will help those Israeli Arabs who want to live in peace and tranquillity. We are confronted here with a subject that requires a concerted national effort, which will undoubtedly entail the use of force. That same effort will also restore the law to Arab villages. On the other hand, allowing the failure to intensify will vanquish Israel in various areas and diminish it badly.

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