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pugsville wrote:The argument is used that it COULD be used against Jews is part of a "Reductio ad Absurdum" showing how the ridiculously the law would be be if applied to Jews. There is no hint at all at any stage that that law HAS been applied to Jews.

You have a single case of it being applied to Jews please post and prove me wrong.

The sole intent of introducing the law was to take land from Arabs and give it to Jews, it was never intended to be fair, reasonable or enforced in any other than a brutal racist law to take from the Palestinians. the Compensation and some window dressing has been added to fob off outside observers.

In General the Israeli legal system just fails Israeli-Arabs. Winning in court means nothing in the Authorities deliberately act in defence of the ruling. Let alone in the West Bank.


The compensation is a key provision to provide redress to Israeli Absentee owners, based on methodology proposed by the UN itself. It's basically fulfilling a legal obligation of the Israeli state.

And the original intent of the Absentee Property Law is not dissimilar to laws allowing for the state to take over unused property in other countries. Indeed, that is also why the Israeli Supreme Court took a very restrictive view on when could it be used in east Jerusalem, to the point of stating that it could be used against Jews and that it can't think of a legitimate case in which it could be used, and even then those affected would have a right to be compensated if they are Israeli residents.

As for the admissions committee law, I had not read the text back when it was passed in 2011, but it seems the law actually forbids using race, religion, ethnicity, etc as a criterion to bar access to the cooperative using those committees. The use of the "social fabric" provision would thus not be able to rest on that, at least, as such I'm not sure of how easy it would be to target Arabs using the law. That said, it does seem to be able to be abused, but it is also true that court rulings could help to provide precedents to prevent it.
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These laws were solely written to enable Palestinians property to be seized. "abandoned" They drive the population out then size and loot all their property to give the savage brutality a thin veneer of legality.

But Why are these laws STILL in effect.


Ruling in the supreme court mean nothing is the Israeli Military and Authorities are determined to oppose Palestinians getting justice. Court rules the Palestinians can return, the Military destroy the village. Is action taken for contempt of court? Is anyone accountable?

The Facts are that when Palestinian or Israeli-Arabs are concerned that Israeli Authorities are quite willing to break the law, and ignore court rulings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_Bir%27im
"In 1953, the residents of former Kafr Bir'im appealed to the Supreme Court of Israel to return to their village. The court ruled that the authorities must answer to why they were not allowed to return. On September 16, 1953 the village was razed and 1,170 hectares of land were expropriated by the state."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iqrit#Cap ... _expulsion
"Israeli Supreme Court rules in favor of allowing Iqrit residents to return to their village
In July 1951, the villagers of Iqrit pleaded their case before Israel's Supreme Court, and the court ruled in favour of the right to return to their village. After this judgement, the Military Government found another justification to prevent them from returning. The villagers appealed to the Supreme Court again and were scheduled to have their case considered on 6 February 1952.
IDF ignores Supreme Court decision, destroys Iqrit on Christmas day, 1951
However, on Christmas Day in 1951, Israeli Defense Forces destroyed the village. According to the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs Israeli soldiers took the mukhtar of Iqrit to the top of a nearby hill to force him to watch as Israeli troops blew up every house in the village."
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pugsville wrote:These laws were solely written to enable Palestinians property to be seized. "abandoned" They drive the population out then size and loot all their property to give the savage brutality a thin veneer of legality.

But Why are these laws STILL in effect.


Firstly, no, not all Palestinians were driven out in the 1948 war. Not even most were driven out either and there was no master plan to that effect either.

Since those houses could not stay empty forever, Israel passed the Absentee Property Law and set up a fund to compensate property owners when the time would come to do so.

pugsville wrote:Ruling in the supreme court mean nothing is the Israeli Military and Authorities are determined to oppose Palestinians getting justice. Court rules the Palestinians can return, the Military destroy the village. Is action taken for contempt of court? Is anyone accountable?

The Facts are that when Palestinian or Israeli-Arabs are concerned that Israeli Authorities are quite willing to break the law, and ignore court rulings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafr_Bir%27im
"In 1953, the residents of former Kafr Bir'im appealed to the Supreme Court of Israel to return to their village. The court ruled that the authorities must answer to why they were not allowed to return. On September 16, 1953 the village was razed and 1,170 hectares of land were expropriated by the state."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iqrit#Cap ... _expulsion
"Israeli Supreme Court rules in favor of allowing Iqrit residents to return to their village
In July 1951, the villagers of Iqrit pleaded their case before Israel's Supreme Court, and the court ruled in favour of the right to return to their village. After this judgement, the Military Government found another justification to prevent them from returning. The villagers appealed to the Supreme Court again and were scheduled to have their case considered on 6 February 1952.
IDF ignores Supreme Court decision, destroys Iqrit on Christmas day, 1951
However, on Christmas Day in 1951, Israeli Defense Forces destroyed the village. According to the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs Israeli soldiers took the mukhtar of Iqrit to the top of a nearby hill to force him to watch as Israeli troops blew up every house in the village."


Indeed, which is why Israel compensated all of those who were affected by those actions to secure the borders and "Present Absentees" in 1973. The state of exception in border areas inevitably lead to these kind of abuses.

As for whether anyone is held accountable, actually yes, the State itself is if it is compensating Israeli Absentee owners for their loss of possession and title.

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