[Pants-of-dog]

Interesting, why don't you quote the whole thing?

Because not all of it is relevant to my claim.

So we agree that the evidence shows that Egypt’# government thinks Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

And there are comments by other Israeli politicians saying otherwise

Bo one claimed that Israeli politicians are al, part of a hive mind.

So we agree that the evidence shows that many people and institutions within the Israeli powerful are openly calling for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

Where are the concrete means of leaving Gaza en masse? Since land and air aren't options, where are the ships arriving to Gaza to pick Gazans up?

Israel has not been able to convince other countries to help them remove Gazans yet. Thus, no countries are helping get rid of Gazans en masse.

[wat0n]

Because not all of it is relevant to my claim.

You mean it doesn't fit with your narrative.

So we agree that the evidence shows that Egypt’# government thinks Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

No.

Bo one claimed that Israeli politicians are al, part of a hive mind.

So we agree that the evidence shows that many people and institutions within the Israeli powerful are openly calling for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

Yet these don't decide policy. We're discussing if Israel is actually ethnically cleansing Gaza and there's no evidence of that.

Israel has not been able to convince other countries to help them remove Gazans yet. Thus, no countries are helping get rid of Gazans en masse.

Why would it need other countries to comply?

[Pants-of-dog]

You mean it doesn't fit with your narrative.

Actually, it fits fine. The other reasons do not contradict the claim that Egypt is refusing to take part in the ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

No.

Yes, we agree that the quote you copied says Egypt is refusing to take part in the ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

Yet these don't decide policy. We're discussing if Israel is actually ethnically cleansing Gaza and there's no evidence of that.

Some of these people are members of the ruling cabinet. How are they not deciding policy?

Why would it need other countries to comply?

No one claimed Israel needs help in its ongoing campaign of ethnic cleansing. If the Israeli government got the help they wanted, it would be a lot easier, but it is not necessary.

[wat0n]

Actually, it fits fine. The other reasons do not contradict the claim that Egypt is refusing to take part in the ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

The facts refute that there is an ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

Yes, we agree that the quote you copied says Egypt is refusing to take part in the ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

No, we don't agree that there is an ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

We also don't agree this prospect is why Egypt doesn't allow any significant number of Gazans into its territory.

Some of these people are members of the ruling cabinet. How are they not deciding policy?

They aren't a majority of the cabinet.

They aren't a majority of the security cabinet.

They aren't part of the war cabinet.

No one claimed Israel needs help in its ongoing campaign of ethnic cleansing. If the Israeli government got the help they wanted, it would be a lot easier, but it is not necessary.

Yet we don't see emigration or expulsion of Gazans in any major numbers consistent with ethnic cleansing.

This actually supports the idea that no such thing is happening.

[Pants-of-dog]

The facts refute that there is an ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

No, we don't agree that there is an ongoing ethnic cleansing being perpetrated by the IDF.

We also don't agree this prospect is why Egypt doesn't allow any significant number of Gazans into its territory.

And now you are willfully ignoring the very words spoken by the leader of Egypt.

They aren't a majority of the cabinet.

They aren't a majority of the security cabinet.

They aren't part of the war cabinet.

No one claimed any of this.

But they are part of the policy making group in Israel.

Yet we don't see emigration or expulsion of Gazans in any major numbers consistent with ethnic cleansing.

This actually supports the idea that no such thing is happening.

No, and the words of Egypt’s leader contradict this claim.

[wat0n]

And now you are willfully ignoring the very words spoken by the leader of Egypt.

I'm not.

They don't prove Israel is committing ethnic cleansing.

No one claimed any of this.

But they are part of the policy making group in Israel.

So? That doesn't mean they determine policy. They are junior members of the Israeli government.

No, and the words of Egypt’s leader contradict this claim.

They don't.

Where are the hundreds of thousands of Gazans leaving the Gaza Strip?

[Pants-of-dog]

I'm not.

They don't prove Israel is committing ethnic cleansing.

So? That doesn't mean they determine policy. They are junior members of the Israeli government.

They don't.

Where are the hundreds of thousands of Gazans leaving the Gaza Strip?

Since you are deliberately ignoring evidence at this point, there is no reason for me to try to keep educating you. Ket us move on to your argument:

Now, support the claim that the people openly discussing ethnically cleansing Gaza are not able to influence the course of Israeli policy towards Gaza.

[wat0n]

Since you are deliberately ignoring evidence at this point, there is no reason for me to try to keep educating you. Ket us move on to your argument:

Now, support the claim that the people openly discussing ethnically cleansing Gaza are not able to influence the course of Israeli policy towards Gaza.

Gallant, the Defense Minister, has publicly said he envisions Gaza being ruled by Palestinians. Kind of hard to do that if the population is expelled or emigrates en masse.

Now where are the Gazans being expelled or leaving en masse? Where is the transportation required to do that?

[Pants-of-dog]

Gallant, the Defense Minister, has publicly said he envisions Gaza being ruled by Palestinians. Kind of hard to do that if the population is expelled or emigrates en masse.

this has nothing to do with whether or not people who want to ethnically cleanse Gaza have the ability to influence Israeli policy towards Gaza.

Now where are the Gazans being expelled or leaving en masse? Where is the transportation required to do that?

Again. you have openly refused to accept the facts presented about this claim, so it is impossible to educate you about this.

[wat0n]

this has nothing to do with whether or not people who want to ethnically cleanse Gaza have the ability to influence Israeli policy towards Gaza.

We're talking about the long-term plans for Gaza, and if it's being ethnically cleansed. How exactly doesn't it have anything to do with that?

Again. you have openly refused to accept the facts presented about this claim, so it is impossible to educate you about this.

You have provided no facts. Your best argument is that "Egypt thinks Israel wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza", as if other means of transportation (ships) were somehow impossible to procure.

[Pants-of-dog]

We're talking about the long-term plans for Gaza, and if it's being ethnically cleansed. How exactly doesn't it have anything to do with that?

You forgot the argument again.

You have provided no facts. Your best argument is that "Egypt thinks Israel wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza", as if other means of transportation (ships) were somehow impossible to procure.

This sentence makes no logical sense.

Try again.

[wat0n]

You forgot the argument again.

What's this thread's title again?

This sentence makes no logical sense.

Try again.

It makes perfect sense, actually.

If Israel wants to drive the Palestinians out, and Egypt doesn't want to help in any way, why doesn't Israel procure ships for them? There is a thread on the logistics of doing something along these lines, but to evacuate Jews from Israel.

Since this is such a high priority goal, as you and others allege, I don't see why wouldn't Israel do it.

[Pants-of-dog]

What's this thread's title again?

Netanyahu has openly spoken of getting Palestinians to leave Gaza, and his major complaint is that he can not find countries willing to help him.

It makes perfect sense, actually.

If Israel wants to drive the Palestinians out, and Egypt doesn't want to help in any way, why doesn't Israel procure ships for them? There is a thread on the logistics of doing something along these lines, but to evacuate Jews from Israel.

Since this is such a high priority goal, as you and others allege, I don't see why wouldn't Israel do it.

Because then they would not be able to deny the allegations of ethnic cleansing and would therefore be guilty of war crimes.

This is why netanyahu needs other countries to help him and to have some sort of argument that Palestinians are leaving willingly.

[wat0n]

Netanyahu has openly spoken of getting Palestinians to leave Gaza, and his major complaint is that he can not find countries willing to help him.

When? Thus far I've seen Smotrich and Ben Gvir, and also some Likud MKs say something like that.

But Netanyahu? Not really, he seems to be noncommittal because he understands that picking a side will doom his prospects of remaining PM and avoid going to jail for his corruption (this survival is what he truly cares about, not the Palestinians or Israel itself for that matter).

Because then they would not be able to deny the allegations of ethnic cleansing and would therefore be guilty of war crimes.

This is why netanyahu needs other countries to help him and to have some sort of argument that Palestinians are leaving willingly.

They could claim they are leaving voluntarily regardless. It's not like it would have an effect as the footage would speak louder than any words.

But even then, it also shows there's no ongoing ethnic cleansing if there is no mass movements of Gazans out of Gaza.

[Pants-of-dog]

When? Thus far I've seen Smotrich and Ben Gvir, and also some Likud MKs say something like that.

But Netanyahu? Not really, he seems to be noncommittal because he understands that picking a side will doom his prospects of remaining PM and avoid going to jail for his corruption (this survival is what he truly cares about, not the Palestinians or Israel itself for that matter).

Netanyahu, in the context of the voluntary migration of civilians out of the Gaza Strip, told Likud party members "our problem is not whether to allow an exit, but that there will be countries that are willing to absorb an exit".

They could claim they are leaving voluntarily regardless. It's not like it would have an effect as the footage would speak louder than any words.

Maybe Netanyahu and his ilk will try this if they can find other countries that are willing to be complicit in ethnic cleansing.

But even then, it also shows there's no ongoing ethnic cleansing if there is no mass movements of Gazans out of Gaza.

This thing you do where you repeat a claim that has been debunked directly to you by several people and/or several times is not good debating.

[wat0n]

Netanyahu, in the context of the voluntary migration of civilians out of the Gaza Strip, told Likud party members "our problem is not whether to allow an exit, but that there will be countries that are willing to absorb an exit".

This is what I was able to find:

Netanyahu says the problem is not whether to allow voluntary migration from Gaza, but whether countries will absorb it
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he is ready to encourage voluntary migration of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip, but "our problem is not whether to allow an exit, but that there will be countries that are willing to absorb an exit."

Netanyahu made these comments during a Likud faction meeting in response to a proposal from MK Danny Danon, who has been promoting the idea. "I think that dealing with this issue is something that also serves our interest," Danon said.

This doesn't seem like a committed position to me, does it look like a commitment or actual policy to you?

I also don't understand how would it work, anyway. Encouraging voluntary (or "voluntary") emigration is pointless if there are no means of transportation.

Maybe Netanyahu and his ilk will try this if they can find other countries that are willing to be complicit in ethnic cleansing.

That's assuming Netanyahu is able to survive after the war.

This thing you do where you repeat a claim that has been debunked directly to you by several people and/or several times is not good debating.

You are the one who's claiming Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza. I want the evidence.

[Pants-of-dog]

This is what I was able to find:

This doesn't seem like a committed position to me, does it look like a commitment or actual policy to you?

I also don't understand how would it work, anyway. Encouraging voluntary (or "voluntary") emigration is pointless if there are no means of transportation.

So the evidence shows that Netanyahu is discussing mass emigration of Arabs from Palestine.

That's assuming Netanyahu is able to survive after the war.

Yes, the thread assumes that, as can be inferred from the title.

[wat0n]

So the evidence shows that Netanyahu is discussing mass emigration of Arabs from Palestine.

Because there are irredentists in Israel who want that. So yes, of course it's going to be discussed. But does he support it? Is he planning for it? Is this part of his long term vision?

Yes, the thread assumes that, as can be inferred from the title.

Indeed, and it's a shaky assumption. His coalition would be ousted if there were elections held now.

[Pants-of-dog]

Because there are irredentists in Israel who want that. So yes, of course it's going to be discussed. But does he support it?

Maybe.

Is he planning for it?

Maybe.

Is this part of his long term vision?

Maybe.

It would benefit Israel if he did support ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

[wat0n]

Maybe.

So you're not sure?

It would benefit Israel if he did support ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

I disagree. It would destabilize the region, and directly harm Israeli interests - it would be an Israeli equivalent of Hamas' massacre that started this war.