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Good news. When there are only Zionist peppers at the supermarket we have to go without but luckily oranges always seem to be Spanish so we never miss out on them.
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By redcarpet
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No screaming about the Syrian or Yemen refugees and demand they be allowed to return or compensated. BDS members aren't going to form groups to do the same thing to Syria & Yemen no doubt......
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By JohnRawls
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Problem with BDS as mentioned before is that they are requesting something that Israel can't do under any circumstances. (Right to return) The movement itself is not a bad idea but BDS objectives are questionable or they do not understand what will happen if their objectives are reached. (That is why Israel will never agree to them)
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By Ter
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JohnRawls wrote:Problem with BDS as mentioned before is that they are requesting something that Israel can't do under any circumstances. (Right to return) The movement itself is not a bad idea but BDS objectives are questionable or they do not understand what will happen if their objectives are reached. (That is why Israel will never agree to them)


That is indeed one of the main reasons.

Another one is obviously security arrangements and guarantees.
Who can guarantee that there will be no rockets flying over the borders ?
Will they stop the incitement ?
Hamas is still claiming "from the river to the sea" (and beyond).

So until those problems are solved, a status quo seems the best option for Israel.
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By JohnRawls
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Security guarantees have always been an issue but this is an area that something can be arranged and where Israel can compromise to a degree. Right to return is really non-negotiable. This is something that BDS does not understand. (They want a one-sided fully pro-Palestinian resolution) BDS also does not take in to account that the situation has changed greatly since the two-state solution was proposed. I can describe BDS is a "feel good" group for modern activists who are interested in the conflict(Pro-Palestinian position) but ultimately it will not achieve anything.
By skinster
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Security concerns, lol. We are talking about the 4th most powerful military in the world, compared to a group who don't even have an army. :lol:

Reality, get into it.

BDS abides by international law. The same can not be said for what the Israelis do, yet they continue with impunity for all of their many crimes. If Israel can invite any Jew with no roots in Palestine, to Palestine, then why can't the Palestinians who do have a very recent history in the region, not return?

I'm not really asking a question there, just pointing out zionist hypocrisy and retardation.

And Ter, those rockets wouldn't be fired if Israel wasn't brutally occupying parts of Palestinian territory, as well as making Gaza the largest concentration camp in the world. You don't seem to mind the concentration camps when it's a different group occupied, huh...
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By redcarpet
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skinster wrote:Security concerns, lol. We are talking about the 4th most powerful military in the world, compared to a group who don't even have an army. :lol:

Reality, get into it.

BDS abides by international law.


Israel doesn't have real borders remember. Palestinian terrorists can enter it with relative ease. If Israel was an island state adjacent to the ME like Britain, that'd be good. But it's not

And BDS is selective about international law. It doesn't accept that both peoples have the right to self-determination. A majority of Israelis are in favour of two-states. Not all BDS members want two-states. So of course BDS takes no official position on the two-state settlement and the existence of Israel as a nation-state
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redcarpet wrote:Israel doesn't have real borders remember. Palestinian terrorists can enter it with relative ease. If Israel was an island state adjacent to the ME like Britain, that'd be good. But it's not




Indeed the armistice lines between Jordan and Israel, which were never recognized then as international boundaries by the Arab/Muslim world, nor by other states, recognised by Europe as “international boundaries” after the Arab oil embargo in 1973.
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@ skinster
Yes Israel has a very strong military but that is not the point. They cannot allow terrorists to fire rockets over whatever border towards targets within Israel or tunnels coming in to bring terrorists that come to kill.
Israel would be crazy to make their country smaller and more vulnerable without undisputed security guarantees.
The Arabs living in Gaza are trying to use the demographic weapon. They make so many kids. Hanye the boss of the Hamas terrorists has seventeen children for instance.
By skinster
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redcarpet wrote:Israel doesn't have real borders remember.

And BDS is selective about international law. It doesn't accept that both peoples have the right to self-determination. A majority of Israelis are in favour of two-states. Not all BDS members want two-states. So of course BDS takes no official position on the two-state settlement and the existence of Israel as a nation-state


Israel doesn't have any borders because it's an expansionist state, remember.

BDS isn't selective about international law, it's zionists who either are or ignore it anyway.

Ter wrote:@ skinster
Yes Israel has a very strong military but that is not the point. They cannot allow terrorists to fire rockets over whatever border towards targets within Israel or tunnels coming in to bring terrorists that come to kill.
The Arabs living in Gaza are trying to use the demographic weapon. They make so many kids. Hanye the boss of the Hamas terrorists has seventeen children for instance.


The point is Israel wouldn't get rockets fired at it if it wasn't blockading Gaza off from the rest of the world, starving it and killing thousands of its people every couple of years. Israel is the aggressor here, zionist victimhood is also pathetic here considering the state you support literally starves Gaza's inhabitants, not to mention currently, allows for around 2 hours of electricity on per day, during winter. Israel treatment of Gaza is incredibly savage and you're bleating on about a few rockets that barely kill anyone. :lol:
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By Ter
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skinster wrote:
Israel doesn't have any borders because it's an expansionist state, remember.

BDS isn't selective about international law, it's zionists who either are or ignore it anyway.



The point is Israel wouldn't get rockets fired at it if it wasn't blockading Gaza off from the rest of the world, starving it and killing thousands of its people every couple of years. Israel is the aggressor here, zionist victimhood is also pathetic here considering the state you support literally starves Gaza's inhabitants, not to mention currently, allows for around 2 hours of electricity on per day, during winter. Israel treatment of Gaza is incredibly savage and you're bleating on about a few rockets that barely kill anyone.

This is a circular argument
It is only because Hamas wishes to import weapons that the border controls have been put up.
It is only because rockets are fired into Israel that the IDF retaliates
And so on.
It is interesting that you and me are on opposite sides of this discussion with you a has been Muslim and me a has been Jew. And both of us ostracised in our previous communities
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