[Heinie]

Only after a video became public was an Israeli soldier detained pending an investigation by the Israel Defense Force. The video shows him shooting an incapacitated Palestinian in the head this morning in occupied Hebron. Killing prisoners is a practice known as “confirming the kill,” in which soldiers make sure wounded Palestinians are dead by shooting them in the head. The murder of prisoners has been defended by Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/soldier-suspended-after-shooting-disarmed-prone-assailant-in-head/
IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot came under heavy criticism recently when he said that a soldier must shoot to kill perpetrators of terrorist attacks only if there is an immediate threat to human life. The world has come not to expect any IDF soldier to be disciplined for killing a Palestinian.

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[Potemkin]

Killing prisoners is a practice known as “confirming the kill,” in which soldiers make sure wounded Palestinians are dead by shooting them in the head.

This is not particularly unusual among the world's armed forces. The British SAS have the same policy, for example. During the operation in the Iranian Embassy Siege in the early 1980s, for example, when the SAS stormed the embassy they killed every single one of the terrorists, even after some of them had thrown down their weapons and raised their hands to surrender. One of the terrorists survived, but only because he had disguised himself and mingled with the hostages. When the other hostages pointed him out to the SAS soldiers in the street outside, one of the SAS men started to escort him back into the building in order to rectify this unfortunate omission by shooting him in the head. He was stopped from doing this by his superior officer, who politely pointed out to him that it would probably be a bad idea to execute a prisoner in full view of the world's news cameras. Lol.

[wat0n]

I hope the soldier faces justice for what he's done. Sure, soldiers often do this be they Israeli or not yet in this case not only he killed an unarmed prisoner but was clearly acting against the stated policy by the IDF Chief of Staff

[Rei Murasame]

This is not particularly unusual among the world's armed forces. The British SAS have the same policy, for example.

This. It's only recently that social democracy has seeped into the rules of engagement and caused all kinds of ridiculous situations to manifest.

There's one I heard about from Afghanistan, where ISAF soldiers were being fired upon by a young man with an AK-47 in front of a shop in a village. As soon as a response to that was forthcoming, the man threw down his AK-47 and ran around the block, and was later seen by the same ISAF soldiers wearing the same clothes, sauntering back the other way as though everything was completely calm and normal.

Apparently they could not kill or capture that guy because he was no longer holding a weapon and it would be 'impossible' to confirm that he was the one who was firing it, and so they literally had to wait until the next day to be ambushed by the same person again, in the hopes that they could kill him while he is holding a weapon.

This is the kind of ROE that emerges in the era of mass media and video of everything, and when civilian populations are not capable of handling the reality of war. Instead of the civilians being asked to adjust to the reality of war, either [1]the ROE is changed to have warfare adjust to the fantasies of social democratic civilians, or [2]war carries on as normal until someone captures that normality on camera and there's a social media cuck outcry, followed by suddenly 'investigations of everyone involved!'

[Pongo]

The terrorist stab a soldier before shot dead.

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Watch this incidents from October and you will understand why soldiers need to confirm the dead of the terrorists. Here a terrorist was shot several times but due of a rush of adrenalin in his body he managed to raise up and attack once again before was shot again to death. In the past a soldier was killed after he thought he already neutralize a terrorists. The reason Heinie is so happy is because this footage is came from the so called Human Rights organization, Btzelem, part of vast militant NGO's network that EU is financing to destroy Israel from within.

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A remarkably clear CCTV footage of a terrorist attack in Jerusalem Oct 13, 2015

*Arab telephone technician driving his company vehicle runs over people waiting at a bus stop.

*Driver exits vehicle and starts stabbing the people he injured, as they lie on the floor.

*Security guard from nearby institution approaches, engages the terrorist with a single 9mm round.

*Though hit, the terrorist is not neutralized - further rounds are required.

*One of the victims died, two were injured.

[Tailz]

This is not particularly unusual among the world's armed forces. The British SAS have the same policy, for example. During the operation in the Iranian Embassy Siege in the early 1980s, for example, when the SAS stormed the embassy they killed every single one of the terrorists, even after some of them had thrown down their weapons and raised their hands to surrender. One of the terrorists survived, but only because he had disguised himself and mingled with the hostages. When the other hostages pointed him out to the SAS soldiers in the street outside, one of the SAS men started to escort him back into the building in order to rectify this unfortunate omission by shooting him in the head. He was stopped from doing this by his superior officer, who politely pointed out to him that it would probably be a bad idea to execute a prisoner in full view of the world's news cameras. Lol.

It is quite true that a number of special forces have shoot to kill orders. But those orders apply "in the moment" of action. Eg: the double tap. The orders don't apply "after the fact" and especial don't apply when the suspect has been detained or quite obviously subdued.

I've heard some people make the excuse that this fellow was killed because he may have had a bomb. But if that was the case, I doubt the IDF soldiers would have been so casually walking around the fellow while he was on the ground. The soldiers obviously didn't think the suspect was a threat - had he been a threat, I suspect the soldiers would have acted totally differently.

Watch this incidents from October and you will understand why soldiers need to confirm the dead of the terrorists. Here a terrorist was shot several times but due of a rush of adrenalin in his body he managed to raise up and attack once again before was shot again to death. In the past a soldier was killed after he thought he already neutralize a terrorists. The reason Heinie is so happy is because this footage is came from the so called Human Rights organization, Btzelem, part of vast militant NGO's network that EU is financing to destroy Israel from within.

Your comparing apples and oranges. Your making a case based on a person who was still a threat after being shot to a person who is obviously not a threat and is shot minutes after he was subdued.

Had the fellow on the ground been a threat, I doubt the soldier would have taken out his mobile phone and made a phone call while standing besides someone who is a threat to his life.

The guy should have been arrested, given medical attention, then had his day in court which I suspect would have resulted in a lengthy prison sentence. Now the soldier in question will end up in court, and if not in prison the Israeli legal system will be thought of as a joke.

[Pongo]

The guy should have been arrested, given medical attention, then had his day in court which I suspect would have resulted in a lengthy prison sentence. Now the soldier in question will end up in court, and if not in prison the Israeli legal system will be thought of as a joke.

Now this is the point. The reason that the Israelis are freaking out and prefer the guy to be dead is because the Palestinian almost never pay their crimes because of all lopsided prisoner exchange (thousands prisoners for the remains of one dead body). It makes the public boiled and rightly because there is no justice. It seems you too don't get the whole picture.

[Tailz]

Tailz wrote: The guy should have been arrested, given medical attention, then had his day in court which I suspect would have resulted in a lengthy prison sentence. Now the soldier in question will end up in court, and if not in prison the Israeli legal system will be thought of as a joke.

Now this is the point. The reason that the Israelis are freaking out and prefer the guy to be dead is because the Palestinian almost never pay their crimes because of all lopsided prisoner exchange (thousands prisoners for the remains of one dead body). It makes the public boiled and rightly because there is no justice. It seems you too don't get the whole picture.

Actually no, it is not the point, it is just an excuse your conjuring up to excuse extrajudicial murder.

The detestable ransoming of the bodies of the dead, is a practice that both Israel and the various Palestinian groups engage in.

Shooting prisoners, is a crime. Full stop, end of argument.

[noemon]

Oh my goodness you are actually lending credit to Pongo whose statements are detestable.

His statements are a bigger crime against humanity. He is actually arguing for ritual murder, while telling people explicitly that Israelis do believe so. This is worse than what the soldiers did.

[Tailz]

Oh my goodness you are actually lending credit to Pongo whose statements are detestable.

His statements are a bigger crime against humanity. He is actually arguing for ritual murder, while telling people explicitly that Israelis do believe so. This is worse than what the soldiers did.

I am giving Pongo credit by rebuking his statements? That is new...

Then, are you not also, adding to that?

[wat0n]

There's one I heard about from Afghanistan, where ISAF soldiers were being fired upon by a young man with an AK-47 in front of a shop in a village. As soon as a response to that was forthcoming, the man threw down his AK-47 and ran around the block, and was later seen by the same ISAF soldiers wearing the same clothes, sauntering back the other way as though everything was completely calm and normal.

Apparently they could not kill or capture that guy because he was no longer holding a weapon and it would be 'impossible' to confirm that he was the one who was firing it, and so they literally had to wait until the next day to be ambushed by the same person again, in the hopes that they could kill him while he is holding a weapon.

This is the kind of ROE that emerges in the era of mass media and video of everything, and when civilian populations are not capable of handling the reality of war. Instead of the civilians being asked to adjust to the reality of war, either [1]the ROE is changed to have warfare adjust to the fantasies of social democratic civilians, or [2]war carries on as normal until someone captures that normality on camera and there's a social media cuck outcry, followed by suddenly 'investigations of everyone involved!'

What country were those ISAF soldiers from? You can PM me the answer if you want, but I am willing to bet it signed the Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions.

[Heinie]

The video captures a not uncommon ghastly attitude and conduct of the Israelis in occupied Palestine. "It’s all there: the indifference toward the fate of the injured enemy, even though the rules of war require he be treated the moment he no longer presents a danger; the shooting of the Palestinian lying helpless on the ground, in utter contradiction to the values of the Israel Defense Forces; and the Israelis at the scene watching with complete apathy."
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.710853
Remember, this summary execution of a wounded and disabled prisoner was carried out by what is, according to the majority of Israelis, "the most moral army of the world, and nothing else".
http://www.grotius.fr/israel-goldstone-et-tout-le-reste/
There is no reasoning with these people.

[noemon]

I am giving Pongo credit by rebuking his statements? That is new...

Then, are you not also, adding to that?

My humble opinion is that Pongo's mind will not be changed anyway, his statements are self-explanatory and that addressing his detestable comments lends token credence to them. That's just me.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Every terrorist should get a bullet in the head I dont see whats the problem

I would shoot the whole magazine on this subhuman piece of shit

fuck morals and ethics

[Tailz]

Tailz wrote: I am giving Pongo credit by rebuking his statements? That is new...

Then, are you not also, adding to that?

My humble opinion is that Pongo's mind will not be changed anyway, his statements are self-explanatory and that addressing his detestable comments lends token credence to them. That's just me.

I am not expecting to change Pongo's mind. But such "ideas" should be rebuked for hat they are. Your approach to, in essence, "Not give his ideas oxygen" as they gives them a form of credit. In essence by not rebuking such points of view, also gives them credit because its not being rebuked...

[Lightman]

Zionist nationalist, what you're saying is hardly any different from what the Nazis would have published in the 30s. An inability to admit that your side is ever wrong means that you'll tolerate anything.

This is obviously horrible and I hope the soldier is punished to the full extent of the law.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Zionist nationalist, what you're saying is hardly any different from what the Nazis would have published in the 30s. An inability to admit that your side is ever wrong means that you'll tolerate anything.

I was not talking about the Palestinians I said terrorists are not humans I wanted to say that every terrorist is not considered human since he is ready to die and his only goal is to kill as many people as possible it will be best to help him go and get his 72 virgins

[Pongo]

Here is the context

[skinster]

Top Israeli officials who issued directive to execute Palestinians hang Hebron killer out to dry.

[Tailz]

Israelis Evenly Split in Reactions to Summary Execution of Palestinian Assailant
Analysis of social media conversations reveals that 48 percent of users were critical of soldiers' shooting of captured Palestinian, while 46 percent were in favor.

Israelis are almost evenly split in their attitudes to the killing of a captured Palestinian assailant by an Israel Defense Forces soldier, according to an analysis of social media reactions.

The soldier was filmed shooting the prone and captured assailant in the head on Thursday. The Palestinian was one of two attackers who were shot while stabbing another soldier in Hebron.

According to an analysis conducted by Vigo, a company specializing in analyzing social media data, 48 percent of the social media users who responded to the shooting were critical of the soldier, while 46 percent responded favorably to his action.

The number of posts was close to the number of users who created them – in other words, most of the users published one post on the subject.

Responses to blogs, forums and talkbacks were included in the analysis, though the bulk of social media reactions (about 96 percent) were on Facebook and Twitter. The analysis covered a period of about six hours, from the first reports of the shooting until 8 P.M.

During that time period, according to Vigo, some 2,000 social media users posted comments, with about 10 comments a minute posted during the peak period of 6 P.M. to 8 P.M.

The majority of critical posts were posted by center-left activist who acknowledged their political positions. Some 20 percent of those posts mentioned the occupation and the majority were critical of the officers and soldiers in the immediate vicinity of the soldier who fired on the Palestinian.

The bulk of the 46 percent of social media users who supported the action of the soldier wrote that the IDF should behave similarly with all terrorists. Only a small number of them acknowledged that the video of the shooting created an image problem for the IDF, though they nevertheless thought killing the terrorist was preferable to keeping him alive.

Most of the supporters identified themselves as right-wingers, or even radical rightists. The profiles of some are known as rightwing activists who respond to every incident. Some 15 percent of the posts attacked B'Tselem, the left-wing NGO that provided the camera with which the incident was filmed and distributed the video.

The Vigo data shows similar reactions to the Brussels terror attacks earlier in the week. Some 39 percent said that the Europeans had it coming to them and that the Brussels bombings were the result of European support for the Palestinians.

"We call on both sides to show restraint," some right-wing activists wrote satirically. "Belgium must stop its building in East Brussels."

The community seems to be pretty evenly split over the execution. Although the swing to focusing hate on the Europeans in baffling.