[danholo]

Of course not. The soldier is of Moroccan origin from provincial town of Beer Sheva and football fan of Beitar. No Israeli elite group sees him as part of their community. Only the mob that gathered outside the court from all over provincial towns were ready do defend him. Because of this boiling anger, the state was quickly forced to relinquish their attempt to make him test case. Do you know how many violent actions by the settlers were remained uninvestigated because their powerful agents protected them? If there is no even justice to all, don't try to start it with the weakest ring because the people are not fool.

I assumed you'd go this route. It doesn't matter what social stratum he represents - he committed a crime and hopefully will be paid for it. Not only that, it seems that people of his denomination are those who are the 'hot heads' and are bad news. Is this is a racist thing? Maybe, but 'ars' is a typical negative stereotype.

Societal corruption is a different matter which you can discuss in a different thread. But yes, nepotism goes a long way in Israel and some parts in society there have more representation and power than others.

[Pongo]

Not only that, it seems that people of his denomination are those who are the 'hot heads' and are bad news. Is this is a racist thing? Maybe, but 'ars' is a typical negative stereotype.

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Agree, they are badly educated, "ars" (chavs) , but they are not fool. He will probably get a very token minimal punishment if anything. The state has no legitimacy to go after the lower social stratum, otherwise the whole of the society will blown up.

[Heinie]

Agree, they are badly educated, "ars" (chavs) , but they are not fool. He will probably get a very token minimal punishment if anything. The state has no legitimacy to go after the lower social stratum, otherwise the whole of the society will blown up.

You have stated the obvious. Since it was a Palestinian this soldier murdered and not a camel, he will get off Scot-free.

[danholo]

Agree, they are badly educated, "ars" (chavs) , but they are not fool. He will probably get a very token minimal punishment if anything. The state has no legitimacy to go after the lower social stratum, otherwise the whole of the society will blown up.

So far he is facing a manslaughter charge. That is not 'minimal' charge.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/prosecutio ... um=twitter

The state has no legitimacy over its own laws? I know Israel is a kind of a defunct country because nothing really works but some things do.

[Pongo]

According to the public pressure, it doesn't seem he is going to be accused of anything serious. We will need to wait and see. Far worse the EU paid "opposition" (like Betselem which brought this story) is universally seemed as traitors. They are accused as German backed Kappos and Judenrate. Recently there was a hate campaign against them, calling them Shtulim. A fifth column of EU.

"While we fight terror, they fight us"

[danholo]

Well that's a problem when a country is in prolonged conflict; those who pander on fear get their way and those who seek righteousness and justice get the stick.

[Pongo]

EU interest is not to seek justice, justice to whom? Maybe the left could do better without the backing of antisemitic forces from Europe. There was a a time when the left was Zionist and patriotic. EU money made them suspects.

[danholo]

So it is ok to shoot people laying in the street?

[Pongo]

Evil.

[Zionist Nationalist]

So it is ok to shoot people laying in the street?

If its a terrorist than yes

there been many far worse cases which didnt came out because there were no cameras to film it

some things better stay in secret

[Heinie]

...
there been many far worse cases which didnt came out because there were no cameras to film it

You can say that again.

some things better stay in secret

You know they never did find any gas chambers at Treblinka.

[Zionist Nationalist]

What the fuck are you trying to say?

[danholo]

there been many far worse cases which didnt came out because there were no cameras to film it

Tell me more.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Tell me more.

I wont I dont want to upset heinie anymore

[Pongo]

The supporting crowd outside the court. The simple people

[noemon]

You know they never did find any gas chambers at Treblinka.

I googled this name Treblinka and what I found was mind-fuck stuff. Don't do this please.

[ArtAllm]

...Haaretz on the the other hand doesn't believe in Zionism. And its only mission is to advance EU foreign policy and weakening Israel position.

If Haaretz does not support Zionism, then Zionism must be something really [self-censored].

[Pongo]

It was bought by Nazi family


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 89,00.html

Haaretz's 'Nazi problem'

German publishing group that purchased 25 percent of Israeli daily cooperated with Nazis
Eldad Beck

COLOGNE – Controversial deal: The decision to sell 25 percent of Haaretz Group's shares to newspaper and book publisher DuMont Schauberg last week has come under scrutiny as a result of the German publisher's ties with the Nazi regime.

The publishing group's owner at the time, Kurt Neven DuMont – the current owner's father – was reportedly a member of the Nazi party, while his newspapers advanced Nazi ideology. As a result, the publishing house was among the only private ones in Germany whose operations were never outlawed by Hitler.

The publisher's official history makes no mention of historical facts that tie the family to the Nazi regime, even though Kurt Neven DuMont was a member of the Nazi party since 1937. In 1944, he received a prestigious decoration – the same kind also awarded to Gestapo Chief Heinrich Himmler – because he continued to publish newspapers despite heavy allied bombings.

Meanwhile, some historians and journalists claim that the publisher's management has made an effort to prevent various publications regarding the company's and owners' problematic past.

'No choice but to comply'

However, Israel's former Ambassador to Germany Avi Primor has come to current owner Alfred Neven DuMont's defense. In an article he wrote, Primor described the assistance he received from Neven DuMont in his dealings with Germany's business and political elites and said the publishing group's owner has supported various projects in Israel.

Haaretz publisher Amos Schocken responded to the reports, saying that he is aware that Kurt Neven DuMont was a member of the Nazi party. He noted that although the newspaper chain received orders from the Nazis, it had no choice but to comply with the dictates of a dictatorial regime.

"Alfred Neven DuMont (the current owner of the publishing house) has no Nazi past. He was 12 when the war broke out and almost 18 when it ended," Schocken said. "His actions since he has become an adult speak for themselves. There's no reason to impose on him, or the company he now leads, responsibility for a period before his time. This has nothing to do with finding out the historical truth, which is something that should always be done."

[ArtAllm]

It was bought by Nazi family

The National Socialists played a decicive role in the creation of Israel, there was a cooperation between the Zionists and the National Socialists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement





But if somebody believes that Israel is subverted by "Them Nazis" and that the EU has any influence on Israel, then he lives in a parallel world.

[Pongo]

It got special award from Gobbles


Im Sommer 1944 erhielt Neven DuMont vom Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda das Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern, durch welches besondere Verdienste unter feindlicher Waffenwirkung oder in der militärischen Kriegsführung ausgezeichnet wurden.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Neven_DuMont