- 28 Nov 2016 04:07
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The issue is the narrative of eternal hatred of the Jews is largely a fabrication that slots in uniformly with the holocaust for exploitation by Zionists to justify an exclusive Jewish homeland because apparently "everyone" out there wants to slaughter the Jews. Certainly there is religious hatred that has been perpetuated down the years, but had the entire population of the world had it in that hard for the Jews as the narrative wants us to believe, then I am quite certain the Jews would have been fully exterminated long ago. Heck the Romans only made a fuss about the Jews when they stopped paying their taxes, and it took a full blown homicidal Jewish rebellion that exterminated large populations of 'everyone who was not a Jew' to get the Romans to to actual walk in and put down the Jewish population. If the Romans were so genocidal in their hatred of the Jews, why did they let any of them survive at all?
Like all this crap, it is a lie based on half of a truth.
America supports Israel as a jobs creation program for American workers, secondly because America is at its heart is run by Christian fundamentalists and all of their crazy ideas about the kingdom of god, etc, etc.
Other states in the world give support in various ways. If my memory serves me correctly, Germany just gave Israel a bunch of submarines.
This is very true, but it must also be said, Israel lives in fear of a lot of its own delusional demons of its own creation. Such as the Palestinians, how could a people who have been under a hostile military occupation not end up hating their occupier? I remember having this discussion with a visiting Israeli who complained about how the Palestinians were the unwashed smelly masses who live in shacks and disgusting hovels. So I re-told a story I knew of from the Second World War, where the Germans had forced the Jews into a ghetto and then sent in a film crew who reported about how the Jews were filthy and smelly, living five families to a room and not bathing. The film crew conveniently overlooking the fact the ghetto was over crowded and the Germans had just recently shut off the water supply. Curiously the Israeli didn't see the parallel...
"Netanyahu is like a man who, while negotiating the division of a pizza, continues to eat it." - Avi Shlaim, British-Israeli historian.
noemon wrote:I have read Josephus and he does not give me the impression that he propagates the view that there exists collective hatred at least not on the part of the Greeks and certainly not of the kind like in the examples I mentioned and we don't really need Josephus when we can see that ourselves by examining literature, when there are so many Greek works in theatre, song, poetry, history taking the piss out of Persians but we do not observe anything not even near that against the Jews and the reasons are also obvious, namely that they never posed an existential threat. The fact is that the Jews revolted against their imperialist masters which at the time happened to be the Romans, but they could not take it out on the Romans because there were hardly any Romans in the East so they took it out on the Greeks whom they saw as the agents of the enemy and to animate the rebels they had to build a narrative, in response I am most certain that Greeks in the area responded in kind and animosities took place without a doubt but this did not even register in the Greek mainland, Greek historians, philosophers and schools did not even bother. Cassius Dio who is a Greek and who wrote the history of the Roman-Jewish wars reported it because he obviously had to but we don't observe any "widespread" narrative. Plutarch who is the proverbial Greek folk historian, a priest of Delphi, educated in Athens, he took it upon himself to define the Greek narrative of the time, he lived during that period and he does not even mention it because he simply did not consider it worthy of mention.
You believe it was 'widespread' but how is that possible when they could have retaliated by killing the Jews in Athens, Asia Minor, Byzantium and all the other Jewish communities scattered across the Greek heartlands but they didn't. So I think you have misinterpreted the situation.
The issue is the narrative of eternal hatred of the Jews is largely a fabrication that slots in uniformly with the holocaust for exploitation by Zionists to justify an exclusive Jewish homeland because apparently "everyone" out there wants to slaughter the Jews. Certainly there is religious hatred that has been perpetuated down the years, but had the entire population of the world had it in that hard for the Jews as the narrative wants us to believe, then I am quite certain the Jews would have been fully exterminated long ago. Heck the Romans only made a fuss about the Jews when they stopped paying their taxes, and it took a full blown homicidal Jewish rebellion that exterminated large populations of 'everyone who was not a Jew' to get the Romans to to actual walk in and put down the Jewish population. If the Romans were so genocidal in their hatred of the Jews, why did they let any of them survive at all?
Like all this crap, it is a lie based on half of a truth.
noemon wrote:I don't think that is true. Western states support Israel tacitly, the US supports it brazenly and goes a step further than others but that does not mean that this is the actual standard that defines 'support' in international relations.
America supports Israel as a jobs creation program for American workers, secondly because America is at its heart is run by Christian fundamentalists and all of their crazy ideas about the kingdom of god, etc, etc.
Other states in the world give support in various ways. If my memory serves me correctly, Germany just gave Israel a bunch of submarines.
noemon wrote:Think about this, if the Jews were as omni-powerful as people assume they are, they would not be living in conditions of permanent existential fear.
This is very true, but it must also be said, Israel lives in fear of a lot of its own delusional demons of its own creation. Such as the Palestinians, how could a people who have been under a hostile military occupation not end up hating their occupier? I remember having this discussion with a visiting Israeli who complained about how the Palestinians were the unwashed smelly masses who live in shacks and disgusting hovels. So I re-told a story I knew of from the Second World War, where the Germans had forced the Jews into a ghetto and then sent in a film crew who reported about how the Jews were filthy and smelly, living five families to a room and not bathing. The film crew conveniently overlooking the fact the ghetto was over crowded and the Germans had just recently shut off the water supply. Curiously the Israeli didn't see the parallel...
"Netanyahu is like a man who, while negotiating the division of a pizza, continues to eat it." - Avi Shlaim, British-Israeli historian.