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#14774694
Zionist Nationalist wrote:US weapon supply to Israel is a US inerest

Not really. The US uses Isreal as a jobs creation system by forcing Israel to spend US "aid" on US made weapons. Otherwise support for Israel is unwanted diplomatic baggage in the middle east.

also we cant get along and nothing would help. Islam is cancer

A situation caused by the continued conflict, a situation that can be cured when the conflict is resolved as a number of middle east states have already stated a desire for the normalization of cooperation contacts updated n completion of a peace agreement.

All your doing is making excuses to continue being hostile. While not answering or contributing to the discussion at hand.
#14774753
Tailz wrote:I think the Israelis have over played their hand. In their enthusiasm for atrumps election win they have push ahead settlement expansion plans, brought up building a new settlement, enacted a bill to legalise their theift of property, and openly called for dicarding the two state peace deal. The Israelis have shown, their true insincerity towards peace negotiations.

But honestly, those of us who have been watching for a while, already knew this. Now it is just an open secret.

But to make matters worse, Israel's great hope for a Greater Israel, Trump. Just this week said the building in settlements endangers peace.

The Israeli government may have missread Trump and overplayed their hand.


Really disheartening to see Israel being quite clearly overtaken by the ultra-Right nationalists and religious nutters. I think the table has turned quite clearly. All of my liberal-minded friends are squeamish. There's just no middle ground, unfortunately.

War brewing, too. The occupation turns 50 this year.
#14774759
danholo wrote:There's just no middle ground, unfortunately.

Its amazing how resistant people are to the bleedin obvious. We've had 1400 years of Muslim terrorism. Why do people keep expecting them to change. You've got two choices with Muslim terrorists, bend over and take it up the arse, or exterminate them. Pretending that they can be reasoned with, or appeased with anything less total abnegation and sacrifice of all pride, dignity and morality is absurd.
#14774761
anarchist23 wrote:The Zionists don't want peace, they want land. So be it. They won't have peace. The Zionists can't moan when they get it in the neck as they are responsible for bringing it on top. lol


Who is this monolithic "the Zionists"?

Rich wrote:Its amazing how resistant people are to the bleedin obvious. We've had 1400 years of Muslim terrorism. Why do people keep expecting them to change. You've got two choices with Muslim terrorists, bend over and take it up the arse, or exterminate them. Pretending that they can be reasoned with, or appeased with anything less total abnegation and sacrifice of all pride, dignity and morality is absurd.


You have plenty of ideological brethren in Israel it seems.

Cannot say I'm a fan of Islamism, though.
#14774887
If its so awful in the so called occupied territories, why don't the Arabs just fuck off? If they are Muslim Arabs why don't they fuck off to one of the whole number of Arab Muslim paradises that are available, and if they are Arab Christians, Pagans or Atheists, why don't they go and live in Assad's Syria? Why don't they just leave and make themselves new lives in these lands of opportunity where they won't be second class citizens?
#14774913
anasawad wrote:Why would they move to begin with ? Its their lands and the occupiers just as all the ones before them will be killed off at a certain stage.

Only an idiot who never read history would think the occupation can last forever.



Of course the current situation wont last forever

Either they will be moved to Jordan by force or become part of Jordan

There wont be any Palestinian state
#14774918
Not really, i would say its more like there wont be an Israeli state forever, jews may continue to live among the Arabs but not as independent state.

Think about it, objectively. How many nations before in history managed to take land from the Arabs and keep it for ever ? none, not even the Persian empire.
The Arabs just like every long standing nation or group go through periods of weakness, this is one of those periods. Afterwords they usually rise up and start cleansing all hostile and occupying forces in their lands.
If neither Persians nor Romans nor Europeans or even the Mongols managed to sustain an occupation of an Arab land, jews sure wont be the exception once the Arabs wake up.
And they don't consider just the west bank their land but the entirety of Palestine as theirs, and they aren't planning to give it up. So don't get your hopes up.
Rather you should be worried about the moment the Arabs wake up and start rallying to reclaim their land.

I think its actually Golda Meir to be the first one to point to this. I don't remember how it was exactly or when but she said that she didn't sleep all night fearing the Arab armies to come or something, 'd have to search it up to get accurate what she said and when. But nevertheless, she is one of many who realize that when Arabs wake up they'll reign havoc on their enemies. I think afterword she also added pointing to Arabs that they're a sleeping nation.
Well, they're still asleep, and you shouldn't be too comfortable when they wake up.
#14774928
The Arabs are in a period of weakness?? its their best period since the caliphates era

after they run out of oil they lose all of their influence

in the past 1000 years Arabs have achieved nothing and had been under foreign rule and influence

The only way for Arabs to defeat Israel is to unite and invade Israel with all they got and even then they gonna get nuked and all their major cities will be wiped out

is that what you want?
#14774934
Not really, its hardly their best era. The oil is not under their control but rather under the US control.
And they've had a considerably good era under the ottomans before the 1850s as they were self governing and formed most of the army and held high positions in the empire.

And also, no, you cant nuke them. Not that you don't want to but you're arsenal is mainly neutron bombs not tactical nukes.
And even if you did lets say nuke them, they can easily survive it you know as they're not a small nation.
Actually the vast lands of the Arabs and their population makes nukes in most ineffective against them.
While nuking them would get almost the entirety of the Muslim world to rally behind them waging a holly war not only against Israel but also against its supporters in Europe and north America.
You might think thats not so bad, but once you consider that not only most of the world's resources and production are in areas where muslims are, the world economy would collapse and the west would starve.
And the fact the Muslims who would rally for the Arabs not only have nukes but also have the resources and technology to build nukes in no time and retaliate.
#14774946
if Israel will be at the verge of destruction it will release anything it got on its enemies thats including biological and chemical weapons plus nukes

do you want to sacrifice tens of millions of Arabs for the sake of the "Palestinians"?

I dont think thats worth it and I dont think that the average Arab should care about that issue since Israel is not out there to get all Arabs there is a certain problem with the locals "Palestinians" and thats it
many Arabs already dont really care about that conflict and wont be ready to fight for some strangers
#14774951
Again, you're over estimating the power of Israel. Waaay too much actually.
You cant kill 10s of millions, barely in thousands maybe in 10s of thousands and in return you'll be wiped out.
Ofcourse you're making the same mistake of believing the weakness of the Arabs, just as many before you did. And all got exactly what they deserve in return.

The average Arab sure don't care much for the Palestinians, but they all care deeply for jerusalem, and its a matter of time before they all reach sufficient level of rage to unite and reclaim the lost land.
#14774960
What type of biological weapons exactly ?
Biological weapons don't kill as much as it used to in the modern age. Chemical weapons does but also not in millions but in thousands.
And the Arabs have tons of those which means if you used them they'll flood you with chemicals.

Jerusalem is the third holy city in Islam, it is one of the most important cities in the Islamic world that must remain under Islamic rule.
You occupying it is already pushing the entire Muslim world to despise you and no one is forgetting about it.
This is why no other country accepts the Israeli request to turn your capital into Jersualem.
The mintue that Jerusalem is declared as your capital fully and all the embacies officially turn to it thus accepting it.
You can expect the entire Islamic world to rage against you, and not riots but rather actual war. With all of it.

Think of it like this, Switching your capital to Jerusalem with dozens of countries admitting to it, is pretty much like actually dropping a nuke on Mekka.
Holly war and countless many will die, mostly non-Muslims.

Under the current situation its only a matter of time before everyone attacks you to reclaim the city.
#14774961
What type of biological weapons exactly ?


That type that is classified and if ts spread you wont find a cure for it before it kills millions

Jerusalem is the third holy city in Islam, it is one of the most important cities in the Islamic world that must remain under Islamic rule.


keep on dreaming

The mintue that Jerusalem is declared as your capital fully and all the embacies officially turn to it thus accepting it.
You can expect the entire Islamic world to rage against you, and not riots but rather actual war. With all of it.


I ready to bet that there wont be any war because none of the Muslim countries is willing to fight Israel especially for something stupid like this

there will be protests maybe Hamas will try and will succed to start a new intifada and thats it.

Think of it like this, Switching your capital to Jerusalem with dozens of countries admitting to it, is pretty much like actually dropping a nuke on Mekka.
Holly war and countless many will die, mostly non-Muslims.



Jerusalem is alredy the capital of Israel like it or not.

and we are not afraid of you I know that nothing is gonna happen and even mighty Iran wont dare to start any war
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