[Decky]

What exactly does the UN do when Israel or the Americans misbehave? Nothing. The UN exists simply to proved a veneer of fairness to the bullying of weak states by powerful states. North Korea has the right to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself from a second American invasion. They don't want to end up like Iraq or Libya.

[Wellsy]

The UN isn't a power in it's own right but an instrument for powerful nation states, that the UN isn't the source of power but reflects the power relations of the world.
It functions in the same way a nation state in legitimizing the use of force and having the authority to do so.
That in the same way people view the nation state as having benevolent intention and function, so to the UN has this humanistic gloss because it states that it works to do things like help address poverty [1][2]. Which it clearly failed to achieve because addressing poverty was just propaganda that only a pro-capitalist ideologue could've swallowed when examining the function of the UN's organizations like the IMF and World Bank.
The UN lacks teeth in itself, except when it's used by those that do have the powerful militaries, economies and authority within the UN to push their interests.

[Decky]

I would just like to point out that I didn't start this thread. It was a totally on topic post on another thread that was inexplicably split.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Any country would sanction a terrorist organization that is located next to it (Hamas)

[skinster]

The UN exists simply to proved a veneer of fairness to the bullying of weak states by powerful states. North Korea has the right to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself from a second American invasion. They don't want to end up like Iraq or Libya.

[Tailz]

What exactly does the UN do when Israel or the Americans misbehave? Nothing. The UN exists simply to proved a veneer of fairness to the bullying of weak states by powerful states. North Korea has the right to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself from a second American invasion. They don't want to end up like Iraq or Libya.

The UN is not an international watchdog body to make nations play fairly with each other in the global sandpit... It is an organ through which nations can communicate with each other.

Thus the UN is the sum of its parts, and those parts are the selfish self serving whims of those member nations.

[Truth To Power]

North Korea has the right to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself from a second American invasion.

North Korea invaded South Korea. Remember?

They don't want to end up like Iraq or Libya.

Most North Koreans would jump at the chance for a one-way flight to Iraq or Libya.

[Decky]

North Korea tried to liberate their suffering brethren from foreign occupation, that is not an invasion. Did free France "invade" France when fighting Vichy France? Actually that is a bad example as Britain did most of the fighting there rather than free France. But you know what I mean.

[Tailz]

North Korea tried to liberate their suffering brethren from foreign occupation, that is not an invasion. Did free France "invade" France when fighting Vichy France? Actually that is a bad example as Britain did most of the fighting there rather than free France. But you know what I mean.

Actually yes the North Koreans invaded South Korea, a separation that had been implemented at the end of World War Two (August 1945) between Soviet Russia and the United States of America when they each liberated Korea from Japan, with the demarcation of the North Korea and South Korea being the 38th parallel on the basis of an agreement between the USSR and the US (echos of Poland). The USSR fostered a Communist Government in the North, while the US fostered a Democratic government in the south (each were basically puppets).

The North Koreans invaded the South on the 25th of June 1950, with help from the USSR and China. North Korea was being used as a proxy by the Communists to fight the Democratic nations and the democratic poster child: the USA. The whole idea of the North fighting for freedom and liberation, is laughable given the North Korean society has become totalitarian and repressive of its own citizens. The conflict was just smoke and mirrors in the larger game between the USSR and the US, neither side was in it for the prosperity of the Koreans. Not even the North Koreans given how repressive their society turned out.

[Decky]

You really will believe anything.

Dennis Rodman actually went to the DPRK and he had lots of nice things to say about it. It seems like a lovely place. In South Korea the suicide rate is huge, why would that be so if they were not suffering under the horrific oppression of the United States?

[Tailz]

You really will believe anything.

Dennis Rodman actually went to the DPRK and he had lots of nice things to say about it. It seems like a lovely place.

A state sponsored guided tour, yeah he saw the true face of North Korea. What is even funnier is that you hold up Dennis Rodman as a means of peer review

In South Korea the suicide rate is huge, why would that be so if they were not suffering under the horrific oppression of the United States?

And the suicide rate of North Korea is available to view? Let alone verifiable?

Korea's hidden problem: Suicidal defectors
North Korea's suicide rate among worst in world, says WHO report

But now wait, its simpler, one has mass prison camps, the other does not. Oh I wounder which is which.
Prisons in North Korea

Plus if the South Koreans were unhappy with the presence of the US, they don't seem to be willing to ask the US military presence to leave. Plus they keep asking for advanced US weapons (a situation that recently really ticked off China over the Thaad system)..

[AFAIK]

The USSR fostered a Communist Government in the North, while the US fostered a Democratic government in the south (each were basically puppets).

How did you come to the conclusion that S Korea had a democratic gov't?
I assume your case is strong since you spelled democracy with a capital D.

The North Koreans invaded the South on the 25th of June 1950, with help from the USSR and China. North Korea was being used as a proxy by the Communists to fight the Democratic nations and the democratic poster child: the USA. The whole idea of the North fighting for freedom and liberation, is laughable given the North Korean society has become totalitarian and repressive of its own citizens. The conflict was just smoke and mirrors in the larger game between the USSR and the US, neither side was in it for the prosperity of the Koreans. Not even the North Koreans given how repressive their society turned out.

How is that not a civil war? The Korean peninsular houses a single nation, which has been split into two states. Also N Korea had higher per capita incomes than S Korea in the 50s making it the liberator by that standard.

[Decky]

A state sponsored guided tour, yeah he saw the true face of North Korea. What is even funnier is that you hold up Dennis Rodman as a means of peer review

The wrong colour for you perhaps? Capitalists are so predictable.

And the suicide rate of North Korea is available to view? Let alone verifiable?

So first you are talking about peer review now you are admitting that you are just guessing?

But now wait, its simpler, one has mass prison camps, the other does not. Oh I wounder which is which.
Prisons in North Korea

How is that any different to the US where they imprison as many blacks as is humanly possible to have them work for no wages? A plantation by any other name.

Plus if the South Koreans were unhappy with the presence of the US, they don't seem to be willing to ask the US military presence to leave. Plus they keep asking for advanced US weapons (a situation that recently really ticked off China over the Thaad system)..

Perhaps they don't want to get shot? Also asking the US to leave does not tend to work very well. Just ask the first nations.

[Hindsite]

Decky wrote:
What exactly does the UN do when Israel or the Americans misbehave? Nothing. The UN exists simply to proved a veneer of fairness to the bullying of weak states by powerful states. North Korea has the right to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself from a second American invasion. They don't want to end up like Iraq or Libya.

The UN is there to provide a voice for all nations to provide for a better world. The UN is not required to do anything when a nation misbehaves. But they do hear grievances and recommend solutions. I don't even understand why they even listen to a group of people, the so-called Palestinians, that are not even apart of a legitimate nation.

[Hindsite]

Huge sums of money keep Palestinians in business. There is no proper economy for the simple reason that the real economy is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. The GDP of Gaza works like this: The United Nations supplies the money for subsistence together with the good people of the European Union and donors to charities world-wide. There is also incoming war materiel from Iran and other enemies of Israel. Apart from a small amount of fishing and farming there is little other produce, unless weaponry and rocket production is counted. Abbas has thrown up his hands in despair as his fictional Palestine is effectively broke, whilst promises of financial support from his brothers in other lands have not been forthcoming.

Unlike every other country in the world, the UN and its agency set up and dedicated to the Palestinians,, make no effort to resettle the people of Gaza, but actively support and encourage the high birth-rate. The day that the UN and charities stop bankrolling the 1.6 million people in Gaza, who have been on the world’s payroll, they will simply have no income.

Basic services such as electricity are provided by Israel who amazingly provides repair services whilst Hamas shoots at its service technicians. Specialist medical services such as operations on children requiring heart surgery and Syrian war injuries are also donated by Israel in Israeli hospitals.

Whilst the leaders of this imaginary state work towards a world-wide propaganda effort to legitimize those who call themselves Palestinians it should be remembered that they were originally mostly Arab economic migrants from Egypt, Algeria, Africa and much of the Middle East. Only a minority are refugees from the wars with Israel now living in cities labelled as refugee camps, complete with multi-story buildings going up to house those who are benefiting from corruption.

During the British rule of this whole area, the Jews were labelled Palestinians and the Arabs – simply Arabs. It was Arafat who began labeling Arabs with the name “Palestinians.”

It would have been a nice idea if their state was real and if their intentions were peaceful.

[Nonsense]

I always thought that when the British Mandate expired, the Jews really missed a trick by not including Gaza & the West Bank in their claim for territory.
Had they done the job properly, they wouldn't have the problems that they have to contend with now.

Having said that, just as the Arab terrorist vow Israel's non- recognition or destruction, so too must the Arab terrorist live under the continuous threat of Israeli retaliation.
It takes two to tango, the Arabs will never have peace, as long as they desire the destruction of Israel & rightly so.

Maybe the time will come when Israel tells the scumbag terrorist hugging lefties of this world to 'F' off & complete the 1948
establishment of it's state by staking it's claim on the whole of the West Bank-Jerusalem along with Gaza.

[Oxymoron]

Regarding what? Never heard of it.... fucking Arabs need to go back to their desert pray to their meteor.

[Tailz]

How did you come to the conclusion that S Korea had a democratic gov't?
I assume your case is strong since you spelled democracy with a capital D.

Is it even stronger because I spelled Communist with a capital C as well?

How is that not a civil war? The Korean peninsular houses a single nation, which has been split into two states.

The conflict lacked the context to be a civil war, all sides were puppets of the US and USSR (even China). The North was not fighting for a united Korea free of foreign influence, they were fighting on the behalf of their Communist masters to expand World Socialism.

Also N Korea had higher per capita incomes than S Korea in the 50s making it the liberator by that standard.

How does that make the North Korean invasion of the South a liberation? Your basis is income?

If the invasion was part of a liberation movement, then surely the Korean Liberation movement would have also been fighting the foreign Soviet and Chinese too? But they were not, they were puppets in a far larger international conflict between Communist and Democratic/capitalist systems.

[Tailz]

The wrong colour for you perhaps? Capitalists are so predictable.

So you think the opinions of a retired basketball player is an effective means of measuring the status of a nation?

So first you are talking about peer review now you are admitting that you are just guessing?

An educated guess based up by a little Googling for the articles I provided in my previous post. You're the one relying on the hearsay of a retired basketball player.

How is that any different to the US where they imprison as many blacks as is humanly possible to have them work for no wages? A plantation by any other name.

Although I totally agree the legal imprisonment of Blacks in the American legal system is certainly calls into concern the prejudice against Colored Folks in the USA. While also the large amount of worthless crimes that carry jail sentences.

I think comparing that situation, to the use of detention by the North Korean Government of anyone who disagrees with them (or anyone who just ends up a personal foe of the leadership) is comparing Apples and Oranges.

While attempting to use such a comparison, displays a lack of empathy of the plight of people in the US system, along with a lack of understanding of political detention in regimes such as North Korea.

Perhaps they don't want to get shot? Also asking the US to leave does not tend to work very well. Just ask the first nations.

Or they don't want the US forces to leave because they know that the North would take advantage of their leaving and invade or attack.

[skinster]

Tailz is scared of North Korea.