[Godstud]

The lion's share of terrorism is Israeli, Ter.

Israel is the occupying force. They kill more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis. It's something like 10 to 1. Don't try to paint Israelis as victims. That's a fucking laugh!

[Ter]

The lion's share of terrorism is Israeli, Ter.

Israel is the occupying force. They kill more Palestinians than Palestinians kill Israelis. It's something like 10 to 1. Don't try to paint Israelis as victims. That's a fucking laugh!

I am not quantifying the problem. You just did.
A good first step would be for the anti Zionist bigots to condemn the killing of children by Arab terrorists sneaking into houses and cutting children's throats.
There might be some wayward Israelis or Zionists that are happy with dead Arab children but they are definitely in a small minority.
Let me be the first to state here that I deplore wilful killing of Arab civilians and especially children.

On the other hand, if you want to quantify the issue, then a ration of 10 to 1 would mean a victory for the Arabs in view of their population. To even it out is should be 100 to 1.

[noir]

Same actions that Tamimi called

Youtube

[skinster]

A good first step would be for the anti Zionist bigots to condemn the killing of children by Arab terrorists sneaking into houses and cutting children's throats.

The bigotry is in zionism, since it's a supremacist ideology. Anti-zionists are the opposite of bigots. Do catch up.

And don't demand we condemn anything when you sit there supporting IDF terror and apartheid, like pond life. You are indeed welcome to eat my ass instead.

Also, nice signature, I lol'd a lot at that yesterday.

There might be some wayward Israelis or Zionists that are happy with dead Arab children but they are definitely in a small minority.

The numbers are not on the side of your shit arguments:

Slapping an Israeli Soldier More Newsworthy Than Shooting a Palestinian Child in the Face
Coverage of Ahed Tamimi obscures Israeli violence and occupation

Israeli soldiers shot 14-year-old Palestinian Mohammad Tamimi point-blank in the face with a rubber-jacketed bullet on December 14, 2017, in Nabi Saleh, a small village in the occupied West Bank. The boy had to undergo six hours of surgery and was placed in a medically induced coma.

An hour later, Mohammad’s cousin, Ahed Tamimi, slapped and kicked at an armed Israeli soldier. Early the next week, after video of Ahed’s actions went viral, Israeli soldiers raided the Tamimi home at 3 a.m., arresting Ahed and confiscating the family’s phones, computers and laptops.

Ahed has been denied bail and could face years in prison. (Nour Tamimi, a 16-year-old cousin of Ahed’s who is also in the video, was also arrested and has been released on bail. Ahed’s mother Nariman was arrested later that day when she inquired about her daughter, and she remains in custody.)

Erasing the shooting
A January 1 Newsweek article described the incident as Ahed “assaulting Israeli soldiers,” “threatening two Israeli soldiers and then hitting them in the face,” “pushing the soldiers as well as kicking them, hitting them in the face and throwing stones at them.” The piece referred to Ahed’s actions as “assaults” and an “attack.” It failed to report that Israeli soldiers had just shot and severely injured her 14-year-old cousin.

CNN (1/8/18) also ran a piece that left out the most serious act of violence that day, as did Reuters (12/28/17, 1/1/18). An Associated Press report (12/28/17) had the same deficiency, leaving the false impression that the soldier was attacked without provocation.

The Newsweek piece also failed to note that the Israeli soldiers are members of a military force that has been occupying the West Bank for 50 years. Nor does CBS’s December 21 account mention the occupation, which structures every interaction between Palestinians and Israelis. (The fact that occupied people have a legal right to resist occupation is left out of all of the articles discussed in this piece.)

A report in the New York Times (12/22/17) does not mention that Mohammad Tamimi was shot in the face with a rubber bullet until the 13th paragraph, as though this fact is of minimal importance. The Times describes Nabi Saleh as having “long-running disputes with a nearby Israeli settlement, Halamish, that Nabi Saleh residents say has stolen their land and water.” The Times does not note that, as a colony on occupied territory, Halamish is illegal under international law.

Normalizing military tribunals
The Newsweek piece says Tamimi “has now been indicted on five counts of assaulting security forces,” and that she is “charged with interfering with the soldiers’ duties by preventing them from returning to their post.” It notes that “in May, she was charged with interfering with soldiers who were trying to arrest a protester throwing stones,” and refers to her indictment two other times, including in the headline. At no point does the article mention that the proceedings are taking place in a military court. Similarly, an Associated Press (1/9/18) report refers to “Israel’s hard-charging prosecution” and “the charges” against Tamimi, without mentioning that she is being tried by the same occupying military that shot her cousin.

Omitting that information makes it sound like Tamimi will receive a fair legal process, but the evidence suggests the opposite. According to the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, Palestinians in the occupied West Bank are subjected to a military court system that “does not grant the right to due process and the rights derived from it,” whereas Israelis illegally colonizing the Occupied Territories have the rights and privileges of a civilian legal system.

In the military courts, the age of majority is 16, which means that Palestinian teenagers can be tried as adults, while 18 is the age of majority for Israelis. Defence for Children International Palestine (DCIP), a group that has consultative status with the UN, reports that Israeli military court judges, who are either active duty or reserve officers in the Israeli military, “rarely exclude evidence obtained by coercion or torture, including confessions drafted in Hebrew, a language most Palestinian children do not understand.” The Israeli military courts’ conviction rate of greater than 99 percent underscores how stacked they are against Palestinians.

Framing Resistance as PR Stunts
The New York Times’ framing of Tamimi’s story suggests that the case’s central issue is whether Palestinians or Israelis would have been better off if the soldier had reacted more violently to being slapped. The Times’ David Halbfinger says

that Israelis could not decide whether the soldiers were virtuous pillars of forbearance and strength . . . or an embarrassing advertisement of national paralysis and vulnerability.

Palestinians, meanwhile,

debated whether the video might have damaged their cause, by showing their oppressors behaving gently, or helped it, by showing that resistance can be effective even when one is unarmed.

The paper even implied that Palestinians may be happy that Tamimi was arrested, writing that “the scene of the young woman being hauled away may have given Palestinians the clear-cut propaganda coup they had been denied by the original confrontation.”

CNN similarly trivialized Tamimi’s arrest, noting that Israelis call her “Shirley Temper” because of “her long ginger curls” and because they accuse her of “starring in carefully choreographed ‘Pallywood’ videos, a dismissive characterization of protests considered staged for the camera.”

While the Times and CNN provide a forum for speculation about whether Palestinians want their own children to suffer because it makes for good public relations, there is much this framing overlooks. For example, none of the above-mentioned articles mention the risk of Tamimi being seriously harmed in Israeli jails. Yet UNICEF charges Israel with subjecting Palestinian youth to “practices that amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, according to the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Convention against Torture.” These include children “being aggressively awakened in the middle of the night by many armed soldiers and being forcibly brought to an interrogation center tied and blindfolded, sleep-deprived,” and “threatened with death, physical violence, solitary confinement and sexual assault, against themselves or a family member.”

Israel’s well-documented mistreatment of Palestinian youth is ignored in these reports, which suggests it is not Palestinian parents but Western reporters who are interested in crafting a public relations spectacle.
https://fair.org/home/slapping-an-israe ... -the-face/

[noir]

The jihadi logic, they use there children as child soldiers and than bitching aboth the dead children as if they care about them. There will no peace in the world as long the death cult is there.

The famously "moderate" mullah Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the favorite imam of London mayor Ken Livingstone, was invited to speak at the 2004 "Our Children Our Future" conference sponsored and funded by the Metropolitan Police and Britain's Department for Work and Pensions. When it comes to children and their future, Imam al-Qaradawi certainly has it all mapped out: "Israelis might have nuclear bombs but we have the children bomb
and these human bombs must continue until liberation. "

Thank heaven for little girls; they blow up in the most delightful way.
We are not dealing with "enemies" like the Soviets, or "terrorists" like the IRA. We are a long way from the common humanity that bound those German and British soldiers at Christmas Eve 1914. Try to imagine what a jihadist feels when he looks at a Russian schoolchild or an Israeli diner or a British contractor or an American pacifist.

His tge leader of the Islamic Brotherhood is not just "one". Their entire culture is child sacrifice.

After sixty years as UN "refugees," they're now so inured they're electing candidates on the basis of child sacrifice. When you're there, in Gaza or the West Bank, that culture of death is pervasive. You go into a convenience store and they're affable and friendly and you exchange some pleasantries, and over the guy's shoulder you're looking at the Martyrs of the Week he's got proudly displayed on the wall.

The Palestinian death cult negates all the assumptions of Western sentimental pacifism-- not least that war is a board game played by old men with young men as their chess pieces: if only the vengeful aged generals got out of the way, there'd be no conflict. But such common humanity as one can find on the West Bank resides, if only in their cynicism, in the leadership. Old Arafat may have showered glory and honor on his youthful martyrs but he was human enough to keep his own kid in Paris, well away from the suicide-bomber belts.

It's hard to picture Saeb Erekat or Hanan Ashrawi or any of the other veteran terror apologists who hog the airwaves at CNN and the BBC celebrating the deaths of their loved ones the way Miss Jaradat's brother did. "We are receiving congratulations from people," said Thaher Jaradat. "Why should we cry? It is like her wedding day, the happiest day for her."

The problem is not the security fence, but the psychological fence--a chasm really--that separates a sizable proportion of the Palestinian population from all Jews. For one side, there is no common humanity, even with people they know well, who provide them with jobs, and much else: Wafa Samir Ibrahim al-Biss, a twenty-one-year-old woman who has received kind and exemplary treatment at an Israeli hospital in Beersheba, packs herself with explosives and sets off to blow apart that hospital and the doctors and nurses who've treated her.
Oh, well. If you're pro-Palestinian, you shrug that their depravity is born of
"desperation." If you've had it with the Palestinians, you figure that after decades of UN coddling and EU funding and wily Arab manipulation they're the most comprehensively wrecked people on the planet. In either case, it's a very particular circumstance. But what if that "desperation" goes global? What if it's shared by large numbers of other people around the planet?


The famously "moderate" mullah Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the favorite imam of London mayor Ken Livingstone, was invited to speak at the 2004 "Our Children Our Future" conference sponsored and funded by the Metropolitan Police and Britain's Department for Work and Pensions. When it comes to children and their future, Imam al-Qaradawi certainly has it all mapped out: "Israelis might have nuclear bombs but we have the children bomb
and these human bombs must continue until liberation. "

Thank heaven for little girls; they blow up in the most delightful way.
We are not dealing with "enemies" like the Soviets, or "terrorists" like the IRA. We are a long way from the common humanity that bound those German and British soldiers at Christmas Eve 1914. Try to imagine what a jihadist feels when he looks at a Russian schoolchild or an Israeli diner or a British contractor or an American pacifist.

Mark Steyn

[Godstud]

One idiot is not representative of the whole. We'd have to seriously determine where you were from, otherwise.

[noir]

Canadian (non Jewish) author, Mark Steyn, a dacade ago

I wonder how many pontificators on the "Middle East peace process" ever run this number: the median age in the Gaza Strip is 15.8 years.
Once you know that, all the rest is details. If you were a "moderate Palestinian" leader, would you want to try to persuade a nation - or pseudo-nation - of unemployed poorly educated teenage boys raised in a UN-supervised European-funded death cult to see sense? Any analysis of the "Palestinian problem" that doesn't take into account the most important determinant on the ground is a waste of time.

This virus has been a long time incubating. In 1971, in the lobby of the Cairo Sheraton, terrorists shot the prime minister of Jordan at pointblank range. As he fell to the floor dying, one of his killers began drinking the blood gushing from his wounds. Thirty-five years later, the Palestinian Authority elections were a landslide for Hamas and among the incoming legislators was Mariam Farahat, a mother of three, elected in Gaza. She used to be a mother
of six but three of her sons self-detonated on suicide missions against Israel. She's a household name to Palestinians, known as Umm Nidal-Mother of the Struggle--and, at the rate she's getting through her kids, the Struggle's all she'll be Mother of. She's famous for a Hamas recruitment video in which she shows her seventeen-year-old son how to kill Israelis and then tells him not to come back. It's the Hamas version of 42nd Street: you're going out there a youngster but you've got to come back in small pieces.
It may be that she stood for parliament because she's got a yen to be junior transport minister or deputy secretary of fisheries. But it seems more likely that she and her Hamas colleagues were elected because this is who the Palestinian people are, and this is what they believe. After sixty years as UN "refugees," they're now so inured they're electing candidates on the basis of child sacrifice. When you're there, in Gaza or the West Bank, that culture of death is pervasive. You go into a convenience store and they're affable and friendly and you exchange some pleasantries, and over the guy's shoulder you're looking at the Martyrs of the Week he's got proudly displayed on the wall. On my last visit, Palestinian schools were in the midst of a national letter-writing competition. Among the education ministry's first-prize winners was twelve-year-old Mahmoud Naji Chalilah for this epistle to the Zionist Entity: "My heart has turned into a sad block of pain. One day I will buy a weapon and I will blow away the fetters. I will propel my living-dead body into your arms .... "
The famously "moderate" mullah Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the favorite imam of London mayor Ken Livingstone, was invited to speak at the 2004 "Our Children Our Future" conference sponsored and funded by the Metropolitan Police and Britain's Department for Work and Pensions. When it comes to children and their future, Imam al-Qaradawi certainly has it all mapped out: "Israelis might have nuclear bombs but we have the children bomb and these human bombs must continue until liberation. " Thank heaven for little girls; they blow up in the most delightful way.

We are not dealing with "enemies" like the Soviets, or "terrorists" like the IRA. We are a long way from the common humanity that bound those German and British soldiers at Christmas Eve 1914. Try to imagine what a jihadist feels when he looks at a Russian schoolchild or an Israeli diner or a British contractor or an American pacifist.

[Godstud]

Same moron, different article. <Yawn>

Grow up.

[skinster]

lol noir keeps posting that guy that hangs out with Limbaugh, Hannity etc. We know Israelis are on the extreme right but you're going to struggle selling that media to anyone who isn't a wacky rightwinger like you lot.

Back on topic:

[Ter]

As I expected, skinster refuses to condemn the murder of Israeli civilians including children.
Lets take note of that.

She keeps on spewing Arab and Muslim propaganda as per her usual.

The Arabs are sending their children to fight soldiers on the streets and then come whining about the consequences.
How stupid must one be to defend that kind of hatred and violence ?

I for one condemn the maiming and killing of all civilians, especially children.
Why is that condemnation so difficult for anti-Zionist bigots ?

[skinster]

You are off-topic, Ter.

zionists, they just can't stay on topic!

On topic, petition to free Ahed is getting onto the closer side of 2 millions signatures now.
https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/fr ... l_loc/?twi

[noir]

@Ter wrote

The Arabs are sending their children to fight soldiers on the streets and then come whining about the consequences.
How stupid must one be to defend that kind of hatred and violence ?

The jihadi way of thinking is not similiar to anything in human history. They are Hitlerjugend, who is to blame for their casualties? But it works! Many Westerners adpoted this logic

[skinster]

Off-topic AGAIN.

‘Death to Ahed Tamimi’: Israeli settlers vandalize Nabi Saleh
Bethlehem, occupied West Bank — On Thursday night, when residents of Nabi Saleh in the occupied West Bank were sound asleep in their homes, Israeli settlers crept through the village’s streets, vandalizing walls with graffiti threatening jailed teen activist Ahed Tamimi and her family.

Some of the graffiti reads: “Death to Ahed Tamimi,” “There’s no place in this world for Ahed Tamimi,” and another demanding that the Tamimi family be “kicked out of the country.”

Bassem Tamimi, Ahed’s father, told Mondoweiss that none of the village’s residents had seen the settlers enter the village, but that the incident occurred at some point after 1 a.m. “The settlers wrote that Ahed should be killed in order to scare the residents in Nabi Saleh,” he said

Micky Rosenfeld, spokesperson for the Israeli police, told Mondoweiss that “police units were called into Nabi Saleh after reports of graffiti being sprayed in the village.” He added that the police had opened an investigation into the incident.

Bassem told Mondoweiss that a group of settlers also stated on social media that they would wait outside Israel’s HaSharon prison on the day Ahed gets released and then kill the teen.

“It makes me scared for my daughter,” Bassem said. “Not only is she Palestinian, but her face has become so recognizable that everyone knows exactly who she is and what she looks like.”

‘Escalating to another level’
Israel’s illegal Halamish settlement sits on a hilltop adjacent to Nabi Saleh. Dozens of hectares of the village’s lands were confiscated in order for Israel to build the settlement.

From Bassem’s home, a large swimming pool can be seen on the roof of one of these American-esque housing units that dot the land.

This is the location where Ahed threw her now infamous slap, which transformed the teen into an international icon for the experiences of Palestinian children under Israel’s more than half-century military occupation.

Shortly before Ahed confronted the Israeli officials outside her home, her 15-year-old cousin had been severely wounded after being shot point-blank in the face with a rubber bullet.

A video of the incident — where Ahed is seen slapping and hitting two Israeli officials — went viral, and Israelis created a social media storm demanding the arrest of Ahed.

Ahed and her mother Nariman were subsequently arrested for the incident and now face numerous charges, including alleged assault and incitement. They have been held for nearly two months in Israel’s HaSharon prison.

Since the slap incident, at least nine other residents have been arrested from the village, mostly during overnight Israeli army raids. On January 3, Musab Tamimi, 17, a distant relative of Ahed, was killed by Israeli forces in Nabi Saleh’s sister village of Deir Nitham.

“We are used to dealing with the Israeli army attacking our homes and raiding the village,” Manal Tamimi, a relative of Ahed, told Mondoweiss. “But it’s escalating to another level, where even the settlers are participating now.”

She added that this incident has created an “even more dangerous” situation for the village.

‘We have to be more careful’
When the village began their weekly protests against Israel’s occupation in 2009, attacks from settlers residing in Halamish escalated, with hundreds of Nabi Saleh’s olive trees being burned and destroyed by settlers.

According to Bassem, after an incident where Israeli settlers attempted to light the village’s mosque on fire, residents developed a strategy to prevent settlers from approaching the village.

They created village watch patrols, in which residents would wander the outskirts of the village and warn other residents if settlers or soldiers were seen.

However, nowadays, village residents typically notify each other on social media or call one another when settlers are spotted near the village, prompting village residents to throw rocks and roll burning tires towards them in an effort to prevent them from approaching.

The village, home to some 600 residents, is small enough that other times residents need only to stand on their roofs and scream “settlers! Settlers!”

But the settler incursion Thursday night left the village feeling uneasy. “No one knows how or when they entered the village,” Manal said.

“We will have to be much more careful,” she noted, adding that residents are considering bringing back the village watch patrols following the incident.

‘Taking the law into their own hands’
According to Israeli rights group Yesh Din, a Palestinian in the West Bank who files a police complaint against an Israeli only has a 1.9 percent chance of it being “effectively investigated, and a suspect identified, prosecuted and convicted.”

The group has noted that settler attacks involve “many Israeli citizens and includes acts of violence, damage to property, takeover of Palestinian land, and other offenses.”

These attacks are “part of a calculated strategy for dispossessing Palestinians of their land,” the group added. According to the UN, at least 150 settler attacks were reported in 2017 in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

Since Ahed’s arrest, right-wing Israeli leaders have called the teenager a “terrorist” and have advocated extreme measures against the minor.

Naftali Bennett, Israel’s ultra-right education minister, said that Ahed and the other women who appeared in the video should “finish their lives in prison.”

Oren Hazan, an Israeli lawmaker from the Likud party, told the BBC this week: “If I was there, she would finish in the hospital. For sure. Nobody could stop me. I would kick, kick her face, believe me.”

According to Manal, these calls for violence and harsh imprisonment of the Tamimi family have emboldened the settlers. “They want to take the law into their own hands and punish the Tamimi family,” she said.

However, Manal made sure to express the seemingly unwavering strength that Nabi Saleh’s residents are famous for. “We are not afraid of the settlers or the army,” she said. “But we will make sure that what happened Thursday night will never happen again.”
http://mondoweiss.net/2018/02/israeli-s ... vandalize/

[Ter]

You are off-topic, Ter.

On the contrary, it is very much on-topic to point out that the young woman you and your ilk are so desperately trying to turn into a resistance hero is inciting to terrorism.
It is no longer a matter of slapping a soldier but glorifying and calling for stabbings and suicide bombings against civilians.
She is going to jail for that.
Let's see how many years she gets to enjoy Israel's Government hospitality.

[Godstud]

You're right, Ter. The soldiers occupying Palestine and shooting people in the face, and slapping old women are the real heroes.

[skinster]

Poor zionists and their delusions. Except its not delusions, it's called hasbara; how to propagandize or explain to the world, positive things about Israel.

But most people can see with their own eyes what Israel has done and continues to do with Palestine.

Looks like you lost the propaganda war here Ter, since millions are in support of Ahed Tamimi than they are of terrorist soldiers illegally occupying the Tamimi family's land and harassing and terrorizing them there throughout all of Ahed's life.

Ter, you can waste as much of your time trying to sell Israel, but as I said before, you can't polish a turd, you just can't.

[Ter]

Looks like you lost the propaganda war here Ter

Only in the mind of the bigots.
The woman has called for stabbings and suicide bombings.
That would cost her ten to twenty years imprisonment in America.
Let's see what she will get in Israel.
I think the Israeli judge will be compassionate so when she gets out she will still be able to get married and produce a dozen babies for the "good" cause.

[skinster]

Chicago chapter of JEWISH voices for Peace celebrated Ahed Tamimi's birthday outside the Israeli consulate:

[skinster]

Found it!

Back on topic:

[noir]

David Duke, former Grand Wizard of KKK join the struggle.