[Wael El-Manzalawy]

I invite you to watch this report prepared by Amnesty about Israel's Apartheid: You can watch and judge for yourselves.

[Rich]

Druze Israelis and Arab Christian Israelis have greater economic success than Jewish Israelis giving the lie to the idea that Israel is an apartheid state. The Israeli business and landlord classes were addicted as to mass immigration foreign labour as any other ethnic European country. They were as eager to destroy themselves as the rest. If it hadn't been for the intifada and the rise of Hamas, the people of the West Bank and Gaza would have been fully integrated into the Israeli economy. Demands for citizens right and then the usual diversity mongering would have inevitably followed.

Muslims took over the most advanced civilised parts of the world and turned them into backward shitholes. Muslims are the authors of their own misfortune.

[late]

Druze Israelis and Arab Christian Israelis have greater economic success than Jewish Israelis giving the lie to the idea that Israel is an apartheid state.

Apartheid:

a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

They fit the definition. It doesn't have to be total, it wasn't in South Africa..

You also got other bits wrong.

[colliric]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... -humanity/

I have not read the report fully, but it is a major step forward for the Palestinian cause that Amnesty went on the record here.

[Patrickov]

They were not that vocal during Trump's presidency, were they?

[Rich]

If you want real apartheid look at the treatment of Pagans and women in Saudi Arabia. Personally I'm sick and tired of this endless whining about Israel when you have the most disgusting behaviour by the regimes in China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Israel is light years ahead of them in terms of these so called "human rights".

[colliric]

If you want real apartheid look at the treatment of Pagans and women in Saudi Arabia. Personally I'm sick and tired of this endless whining about Israel when you have the most disgusting behaviour by the regimes in China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Israel is light years ahead of them in terms of these so called "human rights".

Yeah but it's still an apartheid state. South Africa was also a first world country at the time.

[Potemkin]

The word "apartheid" is a Dutch word. This does not surprise me.

[pugsville]

If you want real apartheid look at the treatment of Pagans and women in Saudi Arabia. Personally I'm sick and tired of this endless whining about Israel when you have the most disgusting behaviour by the regimes in China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Israel is light years ahead of them in terms of these so called "human rights".

Whataboutism and deflection.

Address teh tipic at hand or stop wasting everytone's timewith attmpte to derail topics you do not like.

[Rancid]

It is time for Israel to adopt communism.

[Rich]

Whataboutism and deflection.

Address teh tipic at hand or stop wasting everytone's timewith attmpte to derail topics you do not like.

You're damn right its what aboutism. If Amnesty were just criticising Israel for human rights violations like every other country it would be one thing but they're not. By using the Apartheid label they're trying to slander Israel as the most evil country in the world. If it wasn't so obscene, it would be absurd. China is systematically destroying the cultures of multiple nations. Saudi Arabia is carrying out a genocidal war in Yemen. North Korea has turned the whole country into a slave labour camp. Yet people go on about Israel like its the greatest evil on earth.

Even in the United States, the United States rounds up, enslaves, imprisons, tortures and even murders foreigners without even a pretence of due process, Yet most American lefties seem to completely ignore the actions of their own government and spend all their time demonising Israel.

[JohnRawls]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

I have not read the report fully, but it is a major step forward for the Palestinian cause that Amnesty went on the record here.

What is the solution then?

@Rancid

Well, to be honest with you, if Communism is good at dealing with anything then it is tribal or sectarian conflicts of any kind. So theoretically it isn't a bad choice if you don't mind the shitty economy and not being able to abandon Communism because otherwise the problem will flair up again. Or at least it would take 50 or more years to increase the wellbeing of the Palestinians and remove any sense of religion from both the Jewish hardliners and Palestinians.

[late]

What is the solution then?

I doubt there is one.

[Skynet]

Muslims took over the most advanced civilised parts of the world and turned them into backward shitholes. Muslims are the authors of their own misfortune.

Muslims got mostly the fucking dessert. Europe has for thousands of years, water abundance, fertile soil, timber and coal as energy source.

The Arabs have just max 100 Years the oil.

Without the loss of South-Spain the inellectual center of the muslim world look much differently.

[pugsville]

You're damn right its what aboutism. If Amnesty were just criticising Israel for human rights violations like every other country it would be one thing but they're not. By using the Apartheid label they're trying to slander Israel as the most evil country in the world. If it wasn't so obscene, it would be absurd. China is systematically destroying the cultures of multiple nations. Saudi Arabia is carrying out a genocidal war in Yemen. North Korea has turned the whole country into a slave labour camp. Yet people go on about Israel like its the greatest evil on earth.

Even in the United States, the United States rounds up, enslaves, imprisons, tortures and even murders foreigners without even a pretence of due process, Yet most American lefties seem to completely ignore the actions of their own government and spend all their time demonising Israel.

Address the topic at hand you want to discuss something else start your own thread.


If you have nothing to say onb this subject then perhaps say nothing,.

[ckaihatsu]

https://ifamericansknew.org/

[Deutschmania]

It is time for Israel to adopt communism.

If only that were a possibility . I do know though that Maki , as part of the Hadash bloc of political parties does still hold a number of seats in the Knesset , and perhaps can gain some ground . As long as they have learned from the mistakes of the past , and put forward a practicable program that will be popularly acceptable to the many people of the land , I feel that this would be advantageous . But ultimately it should be up to the people of Israel/Palestine , Arabs and Jews alike, to determine their future . I of course am quite taken by the appeal of the Communists of the region though .

[Deutschmania]

Who speaks for Israel? Rightwing lobby groups in Washington and US politicians would have Americans believe that it is them – and not Israel’s own former prime ministers and others who actually live in the Jewish state.

Earlier this week Amnesty International released a report making a 280-page case that Israel’s treatment of Palestinians constitutes apartheid. The response in the US was a wave of orchestrated outrage – outrage that not only denies what many prominent Israelis say is true but, in effect, denies their right to say it.

A joint statement by American groups that claim to be pro-Israel – including the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), a powerful rightwing lobby organisation – accused Amnesty of seeking to “demonize and delegitimize the Jewish and democratic State of Israel”, a formulation frequently used to imply antisemitism.Groups that made little criticism of Israel’s military collaboration with South Africa’s white minority regime now profess concern that Amnesty’s report diminishes the suffering of black Africans under apartheid.

As the Guardian’s correspondent in Jerusalem during the Palestinian uprising of the early 2000s, the second intifada, after covering the end of white rule in South Africa, I was struck by how frequently prominent Israelis drew comparisons between the occupation and apartheid. I also noticed how hard pro-Israel groups in the US fought to delegitimize any such discussion.

Yet Amnesty explicitly said that it is not drawing direct parallels with the old South Africa. Its report accuses Israel of crimes against humanity under international laws, including the 1973 Apartheid Convention and the 1998 Rome statute of the international criminal court, which defines apartheid as systematic racial domination.

That did not stop American politicians from piling in with accusations that Amnesty “hates Israel”, although not always to the best effect. The Republican senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas exposed his tenuous grasp on the situation by denouncing the human rights group for “attacking a free democracy where Jews, Christians, and Muslims live in peace”.

If the critics of the report have read it at all, they rarely engage with its detailing of Israel’s system of military rule, segregation and forced removals that treats Palestinians as an inferior racial group. Instead critics are more focused on smearing Amnesty.

A Wall Street Journal editorial, ignoring the report’s substance, called it a “libel” against Israel and claimed that Amnesty is in the company of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran because the human rights group “all but says the Jewish state shouldn’t exist”.

For those charges to stand up, you have to believe Israel has been led by antisemites who hate their own country. In smearing those who lay out a reasoned case that Israel is guilty of apartheid under international law, American critics are conveniently sidestepping years of damning judgments by Israeli leaders.

As Yossi Sarid, a former Israeli cabinet minister, ex-leader of the opposition, and member of the Knesset for 32 years, put it in 2008: “What acts like apartheid, is run like apartheid and harasses like apartheid, is not a duck – it is apartheid.”

Leading Israeli politicians have warned for years that their country was sliding into apartheid. They include two former prime ministers, Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, who can hardly be dismissed as antisemites or hating Israel.

“As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish or non-democratic,” Barak said in 2010. “If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state.”

Israel’s former attorney general, Michael Ben-Yair, was even clearer.

“We established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day,” he said in 2002.

Ami Ayalon, the former head of Israel’s Shin Bet intelligence service, has said his country has “apartheid characteristics”. Shulamit Aloni, the second woman to serve as an Israeli cabinet minister after Golda Meir, and Alon Liel, Israel’s former ambassador to South Africa, both told me that their country practices a form of apartheid.

Israel’s leading human rights group, B’Tselem, published a groundbreaking report last year that described “a regime of Jewish supremacy” over Palestinians that amounted to apartheid. Another Israeli group, Yesh Din, gave a legal opinion that “the crime against humanity of apartheid is being committed in the West Bank”.

The reckoning is not confined to the political class. “The cancer today is apartheid in the West Bank,” AB Yehoshua, one of Israel’s greatest living writers, said in 2020. “This apartheid is digging more and more deeply into Israeli society and impacting Israel’s humanity.”

Those views may be disputed by many in Israel, even a majority. But Aipac and other US groups – which have spent years shoring up support in America for rightwing Israeli governments intent on maintaining their particular form of apartheid – are not concerned about truth.

Hardline pro-Israel groups are lashing out now in fear that the narrative in America is finally shifting. Americans no longer uncritically accept the idea that Israel is desperate for peace and that the occupation is temporary. More and more Americans now see the system Israel has constructed as oppressive and its governments as disingenuous.

Perhaps most worryingly for the Israeli government’s apologists, an increasing number of Jewish Americans share that judgment. A survey of Jewish voters in the US last year found that 25% agreed that “Israel is an apartheid state”. The days of rightwing apologists for Israel imposing their false narrative may finally be numbered.

Chris McGreal is the former Guardian correspondent in Jerusalem and Johannesburg https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/05/amnesty-israel-apartheid-israeli-politicians-agree

[ckaihatsu]

You're damn right its what aboutism. If Amnesty were just criticising Israel for human rights violations like every other country it would be one thing but they're not. By using the Apartheid label they're trying to slander Israel as the most evil country in the world. If it wasn't so obscene, it would be absurd. China is systematically destroying the cultures of multiple nations. Saudi Arabia is carrying out a genocidal war in Yemen. North Korea has turned the whole country into a slave labour camp. Yet people go on about Israel like its the greatest evil on earth.

Even in the United States, the United States rounds up, enslaves, imprisons, tortures and even murders foreigners without even a pretence of due process, Yet most American lefties seem to completely ignore the actions of their own government and spend all their time demonising Israel.

If there's plenty of blame to go around heavy-handed regimes then why *not* indict Israel for the same -- ?

[ckaihatsu]

Druze Israelis and Arab Christian Israelis have greater economic success than Jewish Israelis giving the lie to the idea that Israel is an apartheid state. The Israeli business and landlord classes were addicted as to mass immigration foreign labour as any other ethnic European country. They were as eager to destroy themselves as the rest. If it hadn't been for the intifada and the rise of Hamas, the people of the West Bank and Gaza would have been fully integrated into the Israeli economy.

This is obviously sheer bullshit because Zionism began in the *previous century*, and could have easily afforded Palestinians their human / civil rights at any point during those decades.

Demands for citizens right and then the usual diversity mongering would have inevitably followed.

Muslims took over the most advanced civilised parts of the world and turned them into backward shitholes. Muslims are the authors of their own misfortune.

What's with all the vague racist finger-pointing? What's your beef with Muslims?