- 12 Dec 2012 17:08
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Can you guys please stop spelling organization with an s? It's really getting annoying.
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TruePolitics wrote:Can you guys please stop spelling organization with an s? It's really getting annoying.
Eran wrote:The question of justice (and morality) boil down to ownership and property . . .
property (justly-acquired)
TruePolitics wrote:Isn't that essentially what government is? A civil organization?
ingliz wrote: land having been violently taken at some point in its history
Seeing as there is no such thing as "property (justly-acquired)", all land having been violently taken at some point in its history, the moral argument for property is self-serving bullcrap.
nihilist
ingliz wrote:I am not disputing that there is an argument for the ordered allocation of property. I am merely pointing out that your argument for such "rights" is fatally flawed.
fatally flawed
ingliz wrote:It is flawed because, once you unwrap the fancy packaging, nothing has changed. It is exactly the same, no more just or unjust, the same few lording over the many by violence and the threat of violence.
It's a con.
taxizen wrote:OP
Eran wrote:In a libertarian anarchy, all crime is some form of property rights (or use rights) violation.
Pollution can easily be either (or both), depending on circumstances, in which case the criminal-justice process can be applied against polluters by those harmed by their invasive activities.
Eran wrote:Absolutely. To libertarians, "anarchy" doesn't mean social chaos or lack of order. It has the much narrower meaning of "no government" in the traditional sense of "an organisation with a geographical monopoly over the legitimised use of force".
There are different suggestions on how such institutions could function. The key is that the authority to use force always originates with the property-rights holder whose rights have been violated. The use of force is of either a defensive or restorative nature, and thus doesn't count as initiation of force which is generally prohibited.
republicuk wrote:Hmm the more I hear about anarchism the more it interests me, its a very misunderstood concept.
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