[Dagoth Ur]

Poland had been such an adversary of the Soviets early on that it isn't surprising that Polish liberation was particularly vengeful.

[Frollein]

Oh, they deserved it, right? Had it coming to them?

That's a great rationalization. Every criminal regime in history has used it. The Jews had it coming, too, by that logic.

[Conscript]

Why not? The same logic is used against Russians and their imperialism, particularly now with Ukraine. Poland in 1920 was as imperialist, dictatorial, and oppressive against minorities and small neighbors as Russia ever was.

The difference is they never reneged on this history with socialism and anti-nationalism, instead all is forgiven because they served the liberal imperialists to the West.

[Dagoth Ur]

@imtotesnotafascistfrollein: The Jews didnt holocaust any Germans and the Soviets didn't aid an international coalition to destroy Poland and whore it out to the west.

Sorry but your criminal regimes brought down the pain recieved at the end of the war on your own people. Blame the Soviets all you want but your country was nazi filth and deseved what it got for what it did.

[Conscript]

Well, I wouldn't say the whole country was nazi filth, not that they didn't try to make it that way. But I guess you reap what you sow when you start an existential, genocidal war.

[Frollein]

I totally got your point but whatever Soviet Union greatest thing ever Communism all the way whoever the Commies torture and murder totally deserved it so there! And if you point out my hypocrisy you're a Nazi! See I totally destroyed you on the Internets!

You really need to go easy on the sugar.

[Dagoth Ur]

Misquoting is against forum rules Ms. totallynotanaziapologist.

@conscript: The only Germans who weren't nazi filth were those incapable of fighting and those who did fight nazi scum.

[Red_Army]

Poland was under brutal Russian control, they definitely did not "have it coming". Alex 2 had particularly awfully put down a Polish revolt not long before the Russian revolution and the Polish Soviet war was even worse.

This is pretty off topic though, I suggest we either make a new thread or start talking about anarchist standing armies.

[Conscript]

Worse how? It started with Polish aggression, first against the Ukrainian nationalists, then against the reds.

Are you actually a communist? I could never tell.

[Dagoth Ur]

Poland empowers fascists = they had it coming. Pretty simple. I cannot blame Poland for opposing Czarist Russia though.

[Red_Army]

Nah, I'm not really a communist. I guess I'm a "fellow traveler" or GULAG meat.

Lets talk about anarchist standing armies, what do you think Mr. Red Alert Conscript?

[Dagoth Ur]

I cannot understand how anarchism could possibly succeed without an hierarichal army. Anyone capable of building such an army would be able to roll them over effortlessly otherwise.

lol gulag meat.

[Red_Army]

I don't really understand how you can have an army that isn't hierarchical. I think I would vote for me not dying every time.

[Conscript]

Nah, I'm not really a communist. I guess I'm a "fellow traveler" or GULAG meat.

Lets talk about anarchist standing armies, what do you think Mr. Red Alert Conscript?

I'm a trot and your name is red army, why am I the tankie red alert commie? But sure.

[Goldberk]

I cannot understand how anarchism could possibly succeed without an hierarichal army. Anyone capable of building such an army would be able to roll them over effortlessly otherwise.

Yes but a voluntary hierarchy, not an involuntary one

[Dagoth Ur]

If you can just opt-out then the hierarchy doesn't really exist aside from as a formality.

@RA: Yeah how are you supposed to overload the meat grinder with meat if they say no? Anarchists are idealists in most ways, especially about war.

[Red_Army]

I made this account when I was 14 Conscript. I think you're the tankie because you're cheerleading a brutal conflict that I doubt you'd have the stomach for participating in.

Trots are Stalinists who haven't figured it out yet.

[Conscript]

Maybe I'd surprise you. But I'm not cheerleading anything, just debating the anti - Russian edge of butthurt over class war. The second republic would be assaulted by any revolutionary state, Russians or no, and rightfully so.

I don't see why any polish socialist wouldn't want a link up with the German revolution, and to smash reactionary polish nationalism and Pilsudski's state. Thus my position, that doesn't make me a soviet patriot, we are still talking about Lenin anyway.

Also I got my start as a stalinist and they all consider me ultra left, now, even some trots.

[Goldberk]

If you can just opt-out then the hierarchy doesn't really exist aside from as a formality

That's true for many things that work well as voluntary hierarchies, such as orchestras.

[Saeko]

I cannot understand how anarchism could possibly succeed without an hierarichal army. Anyone capable of building such an army would be able to roll them over effortlessly otherwise.

lol gulag meat.

This.

It's also why there are exactly zero anarchist societies today and why fascism will ultimately win.