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#14314512
I just think this was outrageous behaviour against Geoff Shaw - both by the protestors and by labor and the media. The latest footage that was released today clearly shows several protestors physically attacking Mr Shaw, and Shaw's only reaction was to defend himself. Worst of all, if you are aware of the mobile footage filmed by one of the protestors, the commentary clearly shows that these ratbags were deliberately out to get this sort of reaction from Shaw. Then the labor leader joined in demanding that Napthine kick Shaw out of the liberal party (as if Napthine has any say in that), on the false idea that Shaw acted aggressively against a defenseless 79 year old.

Protester denies punching Geoff Shaw during altercation at Victorian Parliament


The protestor involved in yesterday's physical confrontation with independent MP Geoff Shaw has denied he made contact first.

New security vision has been released this afternoon, showing Mr Shaw being accosted by taxi industry protestors on the steps of Parliament House.

No guards were on duty at the time.

John Zammit, 79, fell down during the scuffle and sustained a cut to his cheek. He has denied any wrongdoing.

"Even if I touched him, I didn't punch him, okay? I didn't punch him," he said.

"Say if I touched him, like you say, I didn't punch him.

"He was the one kicking me like a cow when I was on the floor, as an old man, as a politician, you shouldn't hit an old man in the first place."

Mr Zammit was back outside Parliament today with a bandaid on his face.

The security vision, released by Speaker Ken Smith, is from Parliament House at the time of the incident.

It shows Mr Shaw walking along the footpath outside the Spring Street building when he is surrounded by several people, including one person who appears to be grabbing him.
Geoff Shaw Photo: Victorian independent MP Geoff Shaw (centre) says he was heckled and spat upon in the altercation. (ABC News)

As he continues to walk up the front steps the scuffle continued, with a number of people pushing and shoving.

Mr Smith says the security guards were between shifts at the time.

He says Shaw has since visited the doctor over concerns about his blood pressure and has made a statement to police.

Mr Shaw is not in Parliament today.

The Speaker says Mr Shaw is under sustained pressure "more than most of could cope with over the last 18 months".

Mr Smith says he released the vision because the incident was reported on before all the facts were known.

In a statement yesterday, Mr Shaw said he was heckled, spat upon and hit by protesters as he entered Parliament.

The protesters are angry about reforms to the taxi industry which would lower the value of taxi licences.
Calls for Parliament security review

The incident has led to calls for a review of security at the Parliament buildings.

"I think there are opportunities to examine the security with regard to the Parliament," Victorian Premier Denis Napthine said.

"My understanding is that other parliaments around Australia and around the world have opportunities for MPs to enter and leave the Parliament in a way that is secure.

"This perhaps should be examined for the Victorian Parliament."

Dr Napthine says he met with taxi protesters at Werribee last week, including Mr Zammit.

He described the meeting as "fairly robust."

"They're very passionate people. They are very passionate about the issue they're pursuing," he said.

Bruce Atkinson, the president of the Legislative Council, says MPs must be protected.

"Members can't be impeded and it sets a very dangerous precedent," he said.

"We're just concerned about the access that members and staff have to Parliament. They need a safe workplace like anyone else."

The Premier called the incident ugly and unacceptable but says he will not intervene to take action against the independent MP.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/c ... ection=vic
#14314601
^

As for the OP, what is the substance of this taxi licensing law? It sounds like a trivial issue to attack an MP over. From a quick search, I understand that Geoff Shaw has been charged with misuse of public funds - is it more likely that this is the real reason for him being attacked?
#14314665
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/new-c ... 2vm9i.html

"Security Attendants weren't allowed to intervene"....

Why the heck not? That's just an excuse. All they had to do was separate Geoff from the protestors for few seconds, this "you never ever leave your post" stuff is bullshit. You have to make a decision.

Security guards are pussies in this country. Either there's too many of them ganging up on someone(Crown Casino guards are notorious!), or they're too afraid to do anything on their own and stand there watching from the sidelines using the excuse of "If I leave my spot, I could get fired!", which is bullshit.

Also as bad as the heckling was, he didn't need to assault the guy while he was lying on the ground... That was overreacting.

Mr Smith says he released the vision because the incident was reported on before all the facts were known.


Bullshit. The fact is he overreacted.... Ok he was being heckled, but he could have tried walking away when he first saw the protestors and also tried not kicking the guy when he was on the ground. Even if the dude was grabbing his leg, you still don't kick at him.
#14314675
Heisenberg wrote:^

As for the OP, what is the substance of this taxi licensing law? It sounds like a trivial issue to attack an MP over. From a quick search, I understand that Geoff Shaw has been charged with misuse of public funds - is it more likely that this is the real reason for him being attacked?


Not that trivial, they stand to lose a heap of cash, so you can understand why they are protesting:
"Mr Mauro is protesting at the state government's taxi industry reforms, which will see an unlimited number of taxi licences released by the government for sale. The imminent oversupply has seen banks devalue the licences down to zero. A year ago licences could fetch as much as $515,000, but the government will sell them for $22,000 when the reforms are enacted."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/no-fo ... 2otnq.html

No wonder why the current drivers are pissed off, they stand to lose a pretty big investment(who knew Taxi licenses would be worth that much? I didn't). Geoff just happened to be their scapegoat for the day, I guess. Walking right through the middle of them. He probably voted for it too? Or at least they probably thought he did. And anyway they would have been pissed off at his ransoming of the Vic Parliament and the other stuff he did, and also the fact that he's just another dang politician!

Obviously this reform was brought in to increase the number of Taxis out there on the roads, but I guess they didn't figure how bad this would be for drivers that have used their licenses as a type of investment.

Labor might get some voters out of this if they propose reinstating limited licenses as a policy for the next election.
#14316311
redcarpet wrote:The man is a jerk. I sort of hope he get's assassinated. It couldn't happen to a nicer fellow

MPs behaving badly: we're fed up with them


And as I said, it's likely he voted for it(or was percieved to given he votes with the Liberals), and choose therefore to walk into a crowd of people protesting a bill he probably voted for, fully expecting that nothing would happen.

As this incident showed, he's not the most intellectual MP.
#14318091
I know nothing about Mr Shaw or the gripe the taxi drivers have with him. But the footage clearly shows that he was not in the wrong in this particular incident. He was set upon by several old gits who attempted to drag him down for who knows what purpose. Shaw didn't do anything but attempt to continue on his way up the steps, and prevent someone trying to drag him down.

Heckling is one thing, but physically grabbing him and trying to force him down is out of order. I can't believe people are attempting to defend these ratbags. They could easily have had a knife FFS.
#14318106
GandalfTheGrey wrote:I know nothing about Mr Shaw or the gripe the taxi drivers have with him. But the footage clearly shows that he was not in the wrong in this particular incident. He was set upon by several old gits who attempted to drag him down for who knows what purpose. Shaw didn't do anything but attempt to continue on his way up the steps, and prevent someone trying to drag him down.

Heckling is one thing, but physically grabbing him and trying to force him down is out of order. I can't believe people are attempting to defend these ratbags. They could easily have had a knife FFS.


I'm sorry Gandalf, but that's giving him too much the benifit of the doubt. The footage clearly shows him CHOOSING to walk right through a crowd of people that are already yelling at him before he even starts to try crossing right through them. If you want to avoid a confrontation, don't walk straight into it! So contrary to your belief, the footage clearly shows he did make a bad decision. Continuing up the Steps was a stupid decision, especially without the PSO's present.

Also I clearly showed they have good reason to be protesting.
#14318148
They ambushed him while he was on the footpath. He went up the steps in order to get away from them

But what are you saying, that its his fault a group of people *CHOSE* to manhandle him on his way to work simply because Shaw didn't run away from them? Thats funny, cause in my book, its the people who physically attack a person just trying to walk to work who are to blame. When you pass protestors who are standing on the path that you are walking on, you don't expect to be physically attacked as you walk past them. Heckled yes, but not attacked like that.

Also I clearly showed they have good reason to be protesting.


Irrelevant. They could be holocaust survivors for all I care, it still doesn't excuse their behaviour. Do you usually condone violence against politicians so long as they are protesting for a "good reason"?
#14318193
GandalfTheGrey wrote:They ambushed him while he was on the footpath. He went up the steps in order to get away from them

But what are you saying, that its his fault a group of people *CHOSE* to manhandle him on his way to work simply because Shaw didn't run away from them? Thats funny, cause in my book, its the people who physically attack a person just trying to walk to work who are to blame. When you pass protestors who are standing on the path that you are walking on, you don't expect to be physically attacked as you walk past them. Heckled yes, but not attacked like that.


"Ambush" implies that "he didn't see it coming", yet the footage clearly shows he was not taken by surprise. He walked straight up to a group of people that were yelling at him. Perhaps he was late for something, and needed to be quick, but he still did it.

As much as they "manhandled" him, he walked straight into it, and also kicked the older guy once he'd fallen to the ground.
#14318255
(I did drive cabs off and on for years)

The Taxi industry needs reform, as in the long term the excessive price of licenses does much to hurst the Industry. The 400-500K Licensees generally are just money to the banks (except those bought years and years ago) which add a lot to the cost of putting a cab on the road and represent a great impediment to paying the drivers reasonable money.

To get a good service, you simply have to pay the drivers a lot more than they are getting now. The Money from driving cabs is pitiful. It needs to double.

Degrulatating licenses without warning or compensation has forced a lot of owner drivers the best part of the industry to the wall overnight. Most of them have their mortgages secured by their taxi license, they will not only lose the value of their license but quite a few are in real danger of losing their homes. Now most licenses used to be held in large numbers by relatively few people, who are traditionally very well connected with the Government (very effective lobby group) a hear a lot of them got out before this happened (but thats just rumour) if the word was leaked to some but not others, you can see have some benefited quickly by selling their licenses before this reform.

This shake up of the taxi industry has some real losers. The Owners Drivers will be very very hard hit. I'm surprised there has not been more outrage.

I havent seen the details of the overall reforms, as I will NEVER drive a cab again.
#14318261
colliric wrote:

"Ambush" implies that "he didn't see it coming", yet the footage clearly shows he was not taken by surprise. He walked straight up to a group of people that were yelling at him. Perhaps he was late for something, and needed to be quick, but he still did it.

As much as they "manhandled" him, he walked straight into it, and also kicked the older guy once he'd fallen to the ground.


Politicians walk through protestors all the time. They were on his path - he was within his rights to stick to his path, and he certainly shouldn't be expected to get manhandled by them.

You are only making a case for saying Shaw should have shown a little more tact, but your are certainly not making any sort of case for absolving blame from the idiots who chose to resort to violence.

Also, he didn't kick the guy on the ground, the old idiot fell on his foot because he was trying to drag Shaw to the ground.
#14322636
Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey has brushed off a student protest that forced him to be escorted by police as he entered Victoria's Parliament House this afternoon.

Mr Hockey was on his way to meet his state counterpart Michael O'Brien when he was confronted by a group of student protesters who were demonstrating against federal funding cuts and university fees.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/s ... nt/5058260

Seems its catching on.

So why didn't Hockey take this "back entrance"? I can't really see how its "logical" that Hockey wanted a confrontation.
#14322661
Heard over the radio that he tried, but got blocked. HAHAahahahahah! Sucker got cornered
for like 10 minutes, and then the demonstration moved off and so he got in. Damn it, if
only he was forced to give up, etc, that would have been sooooooooo pure justice.
#14322730
Rainbow Crow wrote:I just did a search and it appears that I can get a license to drive a cab for $90 here in America.

Worker's rights became "Worker A punches Worker B in the face" at some point along the road.


Not surprised.... Wages are generally shit in America at the moment. We're much better off.
#14322734
GandalfTheGrey wrote:So why didn't Hockey take this "back entrance"? I can't really see how its "logical" that Hockey wanted a confrontation.


A) It's a secondary enterence and is rarely used by pollies B) The "Highlighted Halo" surrounding him meant there wasn't any chance of any direct punch-on.... Just the usual heckling.

Totally different situation.

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