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There is more to man than the value of his labor and the net worth of his assets.

This is where I've experienced political burn out, after years of reducing each man to his means or needs. I lost interest in the great economic drama and will favor just any system that allows philosophy and knowledge, the arts and sciences et al. to flourish. Naked capitalism and socialist dictatorship simply destroys the dreams of men.

Fasces wrote:Quote:
Even at the expence of the Human flesh?

Human spirit sounds nice and romantic but what does that actually mean?


Philosophy. Art. Culture. Identity. Family. Love. Relationships. Music.

A starving fearful man cannot enjoy art and culture.

National strength and prosperity should be the paramount concern of government. Don't worry about people finding meaning in life. They'll do that on their own if they have enough leisure time and resources. They don't need the government legislating culture and meaning into their life.

Nor can a bloated pig.

Government is the people. The goal of the government is to lead the people. We are their guides. If the government is concerned only with gold, so will the people. If the government values philosophy, so will the people.

Ok Facses how do you value a persons contribution?

A persons contribution to society is valued in two ways:

Their contribution to the welfare of their fellows. Greed is not something to be promoted. If one man starves, all men are failures.

Their contribution to the field of knowledge, whether it be mathematics, philosophy, or art. The wealthiest nation in the world, devoid of art, is worse than a poor nation rich in it.

Fasces wrote:Government is the people. The goal of the government is to lead the people. We are their guides. If the government is concerned only with gold, so will the people. If the government values philosophy, so will the people.

Government is the people's sword. Society as a whole is the people. The sword cannot effectively promote culture, it can only provide law and order to allow the people to prosper.

Government is society. Society is government.

There is no distinction. Both are derived from the other. They are symbiotic.

Why the need for political party affiliations anyway?

Where are the independents?

Falx' Human Party is composed largely of abstaining 'independents' (in the sense they wish to unite to disturb parliament).

Indeed, we do not wish to disturb government as such but every other party has too much ideological baggage that it is carrying around. THP reformed into what it is today from it's more sensible origins in understanding that any coalition government will always seek to pass a lot of legislation that most people will find idiotic. Our purpose is to stop legislation like this from the centre: ban all abortions, the left: close down the police force and the right: too much to list, from ever making it past parliament no matter what sort of majority the party enjoys.

Ah, so you're a reactionary party. Excellent, the irony is palpable.

Would THP cease its obstructionism if I stepped down from a leadership position?

Sorry dave, it was simply that I have not kept up with your parties platform given all the dramas there was on the left before I left, contrary to how it might seem I actually like you better than just about everyone else on your end of the spectrum since you actually discuss your policies rather than just state them. Even if you do use questionable and misinterpreted data to support them.

Donald wrote: Falx' Human Party is composed largely of abstaining 'independents' (in the sense they wish to unite to disturb parliament).

Curiously I don’t feel a desire to bond with any party, I feel no need or desire to have an affiliation to any set group or set of political beliefs. Why lock one self into a set of parameters when we are thinking beings capable of thought outside such restrictions?

It's quite saddening that neither NoRapture nor QatzelOk voted.

taliz, there are benefits to coalitions such as ministry positions.

What's sad with this coalition talk is how few mention their willingness to negotiate on ministry levels as opposed to platforms. (I hope that I did not hurt SN with this golden insight.)

Curiously I don’t feel a desire to bond with any party, I feel no need or desire to have an affiliation to any set group or set of political beliefs. Why lock one self into a set of parameters when we are thinking beings capable of thought outside such restrictions?

That is the thing. In THP, there is no binding ideology. No restrictions over freewill...

Free party where free people come together.

Fasces wrote:Government is society. Society is government.

There is no distinction. Both are derived from the other. They are symbiotic.

Government is part of society, but not the whole of it. Government is the coercive apparatus of society.

Support of individuals through government programs has the opposite effect of what you intend:

http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-wc67.html

At the same time, the evidence of a link between the availability of welfare and out-of-wedlock births is overwhelming. There have been 13 major studies of the relationship between the availability of welfare benefits and out-of-wedlock birth. Of these, 11 found a statistically significant correlation. Among the best of these studies is the work done by June O'Neill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Holding constant a wide range of variables, including income, education, and urban vs. suburban setting, the study found that a 50 percent increase in the value of AFDC and foodstamp payments led to a 43 percent increase in the number of out-of-wedlock births.(7) Likewise, research by Shelley Lundberg and Robert Plotnick of the University of Washington showed that an increase in welfare benefits of $200 per month per family increased the rate of out-of-wedlock births among teenagers by 150 percent.(8)

East Asians have strong families because they have such low social spending levels.

No, it's an obstructionist party interested in making a mockery or our parliamentary experiment.

Down with tyranny!

Down with THP!

As Val already said, THP has no ideology, we're just here to make sure nothing extremely stupid gets past parliament, and with 10% of the vote we actually have a good chance of doing that now.