[Sephardi]

The Democrats in the US, Labor Party in Britain and in Australia are just a few examples of how supposedly social democratic parties, once in power, move further to the right and abandon their social democratic programs in no time.

Because they understand that leftism doesn't work.

[HoniSoit]

Because they understand that leftism doesn't work.

You know it's a little more complicated than that.

[Vladimir]

Because they understand that leftism doesn't work.

thay are the leftists

[Cartertonian]

sooo why are you then linking us with outdated bureaucratic dictatorships??

Socialism Now!

Economic Platform
Overriding ideology: Marxism

Social Platform
Overriding ideology: Marxism

International Platform
Overriding Ideology: Leninism

QED.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in this thread...,

...people like you...

Quoted, I'll grant you, out of context but...what do you know of 'people like...' me, Demos?

Cock all, that's what.

Just because I firmly oppose extreme left-wing nonsense does not make me an extreme right-wing nut-job. My vote went PUC for a reason. Principally, that reason is that neither the extreme left nor the extreme right can be allowed to influence government - they are both as evil as each other.

[Demosthenes]

Quoted, I'll grant you, out of context but...

It was tit for tat since your comment on Leftist movements was just as out of context.

what do you know of 'people like...' me, Demos?

I used to be one of you, I'd say that qualifies me nicely.

Just because I firmly oppose extreme left-wing nonsense does not make me an extreme right-wing nut-job.

And just because you deem something nonsense using only the tired line that "Communism has killed 10 million people" doesn't make it true.

My vote went PUC for a reason. Principally, that reason is that neither the extreme left nor the extreme right can be allowed to influence government - they are both as evil as each other.

And yet, from another perspective centrist is still corpratist, and still in support of Imperialism, et. al... meaning you are the thing you claim not to be.

[Lightman]

Car, please stop. There's no need to ruffle any feather this early in the game.

[Cartertonian]

Y'know, Demos...I'm a psychiatric nurse.

Most of my job involves getting my patients to change the way that they see things - to shift their perspective.

So...? So, I know better than most the illusory quality of perspective.

It appears - please correct me if I'm wrong - that from your 'perspective' anyone to the right of your position (including those of us who apparently delude ourselves that we're in the centre) are in fact the extreme right-wing nut-jobs of which I have hitherto spoken, yes?

Perhaps a long-standing aphorism needs correcting - there are lies, damned lies, statistics and Demosthenes perspective.

[Cartertonian]

Sorry, Lightman. Missed your cautionary one-liner in my haste to deploy the vitriol and heavy sarcasm.

[Demosthenes]

Y'know, Demos...I'm a psychiatric nurse.

Well that's cool, I'm glad you help people.

So, I know better than most the illusory quality of perspective

Which says nothing about your political knowledge, nor opinion.

It appears - please correct me if I'm wrong - that from your 'perspective' anyone to the right of your position (including those of us who apparently delude ourselves that we're in the centre) are in fact the extreme right-wing nut-jobs of which I have hitherto spoken, yes?

No, I wouldn't call it right-wing nut-jobs. I'd say they don't really understand how the policies they advocate work against their own best interests.

Perhaps a long-standing aphorism needs correcting - there are lies, damned lies, statistics and Demosthenes perspective.

Or...

There are illusions, there are visual illusions, and there are the things Cartertonian tells himself to sleep at night. (Iraq is about Freedom...)

[Dan]

Hello to the PUC.

I would encourage you all to read the CA platform and to engage in the talks concerning a centre-right coalition.

Right now the CA's priority is to prevent the SN and PF from having any influence over the coming government and to keep SLD influence to a containable minimal moderation. We are willing to negotiate in good faith to form a moderate conservative government. It should be noted that our platform is a moderate one and would likely be quite agreeable to many in the PUC. We are sure that talks with the PNL will go well as previous discussions with the PNL concerning our platform were favourable. We also think that the LC would be amenable to talks.

I would say that it would be much preferable for you to negotiate with us then with an SN unwilling to negotiate and a SLD beholden to the SN.

[Nets]

Dan, as of now, the PUC favors a broad SLD-PUC-CA unity government, but we'll have to wait and see for the final results.

[Cartertonian]

There are illusions, there are visual illusions, and there are the things Cartertonian tells himself to sleep at night. (Iraq is about Freedom...)

Touché.

[Cartertonian]

Dan, as of now, the PUC favors a broad SLD-PUC-CA unity government, but we'll have to wait and see for the final results.

Not that anyone (particularly Demos, it seems) gives a toss what I think, SLD-PUC-CA most closely accords with what would be my ideal.

[Nets]

I'd also remind the PUC (and PUC-L) that sitting in the opposition is not as bad as it seems. Better than acting as a fig leaf for the radical left.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

I hate to say this, but I don't think the PUC would have to sit on the opposition ever. The PUC could easily choose to forgo alliance and become a much sought after wedge bloc. From the way the numbers are looking now, neither a left coalition (SLD-SN) or a right coalition (every party to the right of CA) would have enough votes to be able to reach the magic 50%+1. Either coalition would eventually have to come to the PUC if they ever wanted to have anything passed. This works in the PUC's favor, as they can simply pick and choose who they'll sit on an alliance with based on the issue.

[Cartertonian]

I hate to say this, but I don't think the PUC would have to sit on the opposition ever. The PUC could easily choose to forgo alliance and become a much sought after wedge bloc. From the way the numbers are looking now, neither a left coalition (SLD-SN) or a right coalition (every party to the right of CA) would have enough votes to be able to reach the magic 50%+1. Either coalition would eventually have to come to the PUC if they ever wanted to have anything passed. This works in the PUC's favor, as they can simply pick and choose who they'll sit on an alliance with based on the issue.

My God, man!

Have you ever considered politics?

[Ombrageux]

Delete.

[Okonkwo]

Put me down as an SLD member.

Nice to see you join the SLD. Here's our party thread.

EDIT: Sneaky ninja delete.

[Dan]

Greetings.

The CA has initiated talks of a centre-right coalition and are looking to create a working compromise, but before we can do that we need to hear from the PUC in regards to the question asked:

PUC, what would you want out of a centre-right coalition and what could be negotiated to get you on board? Is there anything that you could not abide in the coalition?

If a delegate could enter the talks so that they could continue it would be very appreciated.

[Nets]

Dan, at this point the PUC is negotiating exclusively with the SLD.