[Clausewitz]

This is what happened here:

Yes, but what you propose is optional, a smaller party could easily fill out all its seats with members and then be able to shout down the larger parties by simple volume of posts. This is a recipe for anarchy in parliament, all you'd have to do is swamp the discussion/voting thread and the thing essentially becomes meaningless. And if rules aren't put in place to prevent that I as a small party would be an idiot not to abuse it.

Falx was essentially threatening to use the votes he's getting for THP to flood Parliament with spam. And he was wondering why he couldn't do that, so I said:

# Once the Clerk of the Parliament certifies that a seat has been assigned an MP, that seat may not be estranged from that MP until the next general election conducted by the Clerk of the Parliament, except by the express and public consent of the MP (certified by the Clerk of the Parliament), or by a 2/3 vote of the Parliament to impeach that MP.

I quoted the Constitution, saying that if he effectively locked Parliament, participating MPs could be impeached. I presume that if someone is spamming legislative threads, that's grounds to impeach them.

I have never said that his party should be banned up front simply because we don't like them.

[ingliz]

We have no Constitution and so all of what you have written above is bollocks. And if you and your party have imposed a constitution without a formal vote in our new Parliament it is you and your party who should be impeached for ignoring the democratic process.

[Fasces]

We do.

[Vladimir]

we haven't even formed a government, how can we have a constitution

[Clausewitz]

Right here. How on earth did you think we were going to have an election and a parliament without rules for conducting the election and apportioning MPs beforehand? Where did you think the numbers were coming from?

[Falx]

Yes leader of the second largest political party didn't you read the fine print the centre right put on this election, just wait till you get to the part that you... oh I won't spoil it.

[Vladimir]

The current "constitution" should not have anything but the basic rules for election procedures. All further details such as the ones in question now can only be decided by an elected government after the election. Why on eath should we accept a constitution drafted by some rightists outside of the democratic process??

[ingliz]

Right here

Doesn't amount to diddley squat, use it to wipe your arse as that is all it is good for. .................

ingliz, SN(R)RF: Official note

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

We've been operating on said rules for quite a while, and the SN has had quite a long time to object to them. Seeing as they did it, I chalk it up to either ignorance, laziness, or stupidity. Perhaps a combination of all three.

[ingliz]

Why should we have to respond to Claus' little joke? We chose to respond when the joke wore thin and became a bad joke, we are not laughing now and will respond with all means at our disposal, and I mean all means, if Claus chooses to tell it again.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

Go ahead. I dare you. The proposed constitution will be ratified despite the obstructionist efforts of the useless parties among us.

[ingliz]

General strike, civil disobedience, appeals to the UN, appeals to the foreign media - chaos if that is what you want. Have you ever seen what rubbish piling up in a modern city for a month looks and smells like in the Summer heat, motorways blocked, docks shut, electricity cuts, millions marching etc etc. Go ahead if you dare.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

Then I'll push for legislation to ban general strikes, and your appeals to foreign media and the UN will be considered treason, as far as my party is considered. This just proves that you don't actually care about workers growing tired and hungry, as you would order them to so you can sit in your comfortable parliamentary office and wax poetic against fascists and for the good of the people.

Have fun betraying the proletariat.

[Thunderhawk]

The people of the Hinterlands will not be cowtow to either the socialists or the fascists. Legislation against us, be they anti-union or anti-business, will be met with opposition.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

Legislation against us, be they anti-union or anti-business, will be met with opposition.

You should have joined our party then, because we're both pro-union and pro-business. We're basically just pro-Pofo.

[Thunderhawk]

The people of the hinterlands dont like any of the parties too much, especially since the squabling was broadcast and a voter was shot. Ultimately, we just dont want to be lorded over. Being pro-business and pro-union strikes me, and us, as contradictory and vote pandering.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

Being pro-business and pro-union strikes me, and us, as contradictory and vote pandering.

The PNL panders to no one. We support the business of Pofoites, and we support the restructuring of the economy so that high skilled labor is prevalent, the kind that unions have the most say in.

[Dr House]

Being pro-business and pro-union strikes me, and us, as contradictory and vote pandering.

Not really. There is a way to both benefit labor and business: Higher total-factor productivity. To that effect we support an industrial policy which includes forced savings, a more capital-friendly tax structure, R&D cartels and subsidies, and a preferential trade policy meant to benefit domestic producers.

[Donna]

Cheesecake, if you do not cease and desist, everyone will want to censure you instead.

[Fasces]

Seconded.