The Opening of Parliament (MPs Only) - Page 7 - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...

This is a the archive of the "PoFo Parliament". A user-run project.
Forum rules: This is a the archive of the "PoFo Parliament". A user-run project.
User avatar
By ingliz
#13052262
Nay
User avatar
By Dr House
#13052326
Nay

That should not preclude us purchasing a battleship as our flagship, however.
User avatar
By Thunderhawk
#13052343
By a show of ayes or nays, who is in favor (in principle) of attempting to purchase the Iowa?

Nay
User avatar
By MB.
#13052597
You people aren't smart, sadly. :hmm:
Anyway I didn't say this and I'm not here *folds space and vanishes*
Last edited by MB. on 04 Jun 2009 22:54, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
By ingliz
#13052639
To prevent any further confusion please post your status, Minister or MP, and party affililliation when you reply in this thread.

ingliz; SN/RF, Deputy Speaker.
User avatar
By Oxymoron
#13052766
Nay, perhaps we can ask the US to lease it to us for one of our Museums.
User avatar
By ingliz
#13052822
I only asked because non MP's have attempted to vote and debate in this House. It would also help others guage the opinion of MP's by party and what is the official 'party line' if there is one.

But we cannot force anyone to cooperate can we Oxy (MP,PNL).
Last edited by ingliz on 04 Jun 2009 23:27, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
By Figlio di Moros
#13053007
Again, a Nay for the Iowa
User avatar
By Demosthenes
#13053145
Alright, simply because there is no vocal support for the measure we should move on with other items on the agenda.

MB is more than welcome to continue the discussion outside the floor of parliament.
User avatar
By ingliz
#13055652
The Labour Arbitration Services Act 2009 wrote:
Sec. 1. Whenever any controversy or difference exists between an employer and his employees or the bargaining representative of such employees, the Department of Labour and Industrial Affairs shall, upon the written request of either party to the dispute, provide such arbitration services as may be necessary for the resolution of such controversy or difference, including but not limited to the assignment of an arbitrator employed by such Department to hear and decide the dispute or the designation of a panel of arbitrators employed by such Department from which the parties may select an arbitrator to hear and decide the dispute.

Sec. 2. A written agreement to submit any existing controversy to arbitration or a provision in a written contract to submit to arbitration any controversy thereafter arising between the parties is valid, enforceable and irrevocable, save upon such grounds as exist at law or in equity for the revocation of any contract.

Sec. 3. The Department of Labour and Industrial Affairs may promulgate such rules as maybe necessary to provide for the lawful and efficient administration of arbitration services provided pursuant to Section 1, including but not limited to rules establishing reasonable fees for such services. The Department is authorised to charge a non-refundable filing fee for a request for arbitration.

This is now in committee and will be voted on next week

Weights and Measures Act 2009. wrote:The fundamental requirements are:

i) The units of measurement that are “legal for trade” - The metre shall be the unit of measurement of length and the kilogram shall be the unit of measurement of mass by reference to which any measurement involving a measurement of length or mass shall be made.

ii) All traders must display the “unit price” – that is, the price per legal, metric unit for “loose goods” sold from bulk.

iii) All shops must display the "unit price" for packaged goods

iv) Weighing and measuring equipment must weigh or measure in metric units.

v) Weights and measures used must be metric.

vi) Imperial units must not be used for trade.

vii) Prices must be displayed in metric.

viii) Traders and packers may display a “supplementary indication” (imperial conversion) provided that it is not more prominent than the legal, metric unit (NB. This would not mean that imperial measures may be used for weighing or measuring at the point of sale or as a primary measure on price labels).

ix) For the purposes of this Act, metric units will be converted to imperial units, "supplementary indicators", using the following tables. "Supplementary indicators" may only be rounded down:

Conversion tables

(1) Length
inch 1 in = 2.54 × 10-2m
foot 1 ft = 0.3048 m
yard 1 yd = 0.9144 m
mile 1 mile = 1609 m

(2) Area
square foot 1 sq ft = 0.929 × 10-1 m2
square yard 1 sq yd = 0.8361 m2
acre 1 ac = 4047 m2

(3) Volume
fluid ounce 1 fl oz = 28.41 × 10-6 m3
gill 1 gill = 0.1421 × 10-3 m3
pint 1 pt = 0.5683 × 10-3 m3
quart 1 qt = 1.137 × 10-3 m3
gallon 1 gal = 4.546 × 10-3 m3

(4) Mass
ounce (avoirdupois) 1 oz = 28.35 × 10-3 kg
troy ounce 1 oz tr = 31.10 × 10-3 kg
pound 1 lb = 0.4536 kg

(5) Energy
therm 1 therm = 105.506 × 106 J

The question of standard measures had already been debated at length and a vote called for, so this Bill stands or falls as is. It is being voted on now.
User avatar
By ingliz
#13059520
A Defence Procurement Bill and the Enterprise Stabilisation Fund Bill are now being discussed in committee.

Enterprise Stabilisation Fund Act 2009 wrote:The Enterprise Stabilisation Fund aims to help companies sustain and develop their business during these difficult times.

i) Funding:

The funding is provided primarily through preference shares, repayable after five years and typically at 3% interest rate.

ii) Eligible companies should be:

a) In the manufacturing and/or internationally traded services sectors

b) Judged by the NEC* to have a sound, robust and sustainable business plan that is financially viable in the medium term

c) Able to demonstrate financial commitment/contribution of promoters, banks, other investors etc. to the business plan

d) Businesses who can increase their exports as the world economy improves

iii) Companies approved such preference shares support can also apply for grant-aid for research and development, and competitiveness projects under existing NEC support programmes.

iv) Other grants available under the scheme:

a) Consultants grant for financial advice

b) Key manager grant - financial manager

c) Productivity specialists grant

d) Cost reduction specialists grant

v) The NEC will partially fund the costs of accessing buyers and getting new sales abroad - Trade Fairs etc.

vi) The NEC will fund a Euro market campaign - TV and print advertising in our key markets.

*National Employment Council

Defence Procurement (Submarine) Act 2009 wrote:Sec.1. Building and harbour improvements

i) East Island Naval Base

a) The establishment of a naval command facility

b) The establishment of seaman/submariner NCO training centre

c) Essential repairs of docks and harbour facilities

d) Refurbishment of accomodation blocks, stores etc

Estimated cost - $578 million

ii) New Clauswitz Naval Base

Essential repairs of docks and harbour facilities

Estimated cost - $80 million

Sec.2. The purchase of twelve (12) ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems Type 214: hybrid diesel-electric/AIP, long-range submarines

i) to be built under license by Drakkar Industri

ii) Three (3) Hybrid AIP/ diesel electric submarines + spares to be delivered each year for 4 years

a) Estimated cost of each vessel - $370 million

b) Estimated cost of each vessel fitted out and fit for purpose - $500 million

iii) Crew training, maintenance familiarisation courses etc to be provided by the manufacturers

Sec.3. Total Cost of vessels and infrastructure

Ist year spend - $1.96 billion

2nd year spend - $1.7 billion

3rd year spend - $1.5 billion

4th year spend - $1.5 billion

Contingency - $350 million

Total cost for 4 year programme - approx $7 billion
User avatar
By ingliz
#13062413
The Internal Affairs act No.1 is now being discussed in committee
User avatar
By ingliz
#13065959
Voting for the Internal Affairs Bill is now open.

Internal Affairs Act No.1, 2009 wrote:The act is designed to reform the authoritarian executive system inherited from the dictatorship which has been the de-facto scheme for the executive branch despite nominal changes.
The act will modernise the system of interpretation and execution of laws.
The act outlines the jurisdiction of the IA ministry and the authority of its subjects.


ID Card:

1) All citizens to be issued with an ID card to be used to show identity, verify transactions, and access government services.
2) Persons authorised to access, disseminate and use such information must abide by, and are subject to the sanction provided in law if they contravene, regulations as set out in the Data Protection Act 2006 as amended 2008.


Enforcement

The following bodies are to act as IA subjects:
The police force
Courts
Intelligence service
Prisons


The police force:

1 a) The police force is not one service, but many forces, local and autonomous, tailored to meet local needs, within ministry guidelines.
b) to be divided into district divisions (urban) and regional divisions (rural)
c) Federal Police Bureau to provide specialist services to local forces and oversee/coordinate serious crime investigations that cross jurisdictions.
2) presiding administrative body to be appointed by the IA ministry; local administrative bodies to be appointed by the elected local government - District or Regional Councils.
3) local administrative bodies to appoint chief constables and decide local policing policy subject to ministry guidelines.
4) local administrative bodies to hold meeting sessions with senior officers, rank and file members and local residents on a monthly basis to discuss administrative issues. Reports of the meetings will be submitted for consideration by local government and may be submitted to the IA ministry as necessary.
5 a) members of the police gain rights to acting collectively or individually in applying reasonable force to detaining any individual deemed to have violated any law. Actions perceived by the acting administrative body to be going outside the bounds of reasonable force are to be a cause for removal of the member in question from the police force and subjecting to trial by law if a law is deemed to have been violated while acting with unreasonable force
b) A police officer being sentenced for a crime will have that sentence increased by two degrees and be removed from the force.
6) the police force has a right to detain the individual in (5) for a period of 12 hours without charge and two days without trial, further detention subject to the courts' consent. Without the consent, the police force has to pass the individual and his case to a court. At this point the individual becomes subject to the courts' jurisdiction and decision.
7) A member of the police collective is subject to trial by law in case of violating (6).
8 ) members of the police force have a right to use an approved list of fire arms (subject to approval of i)the IA ministry ii)the courts, in that order of priority, in self-defence but not in assault.
9 ) the police force has the obligation to compile all laws broken by the individual in (5) and the respective evidence prior to passing the individual and his case to a court.
10) The police force administrative body has the ownership of resources allocated by the IA ministry and may request for a justified extension of its resources from the IA ministry


Courts:

1) to be divided into i)Local Magistrates ii)the High Court. (i) to be divided into district divisions (urban) and regional divisions (rural). (ii) to be located in the capital. All cases are channelled by default into the respective (i). (ii) has the authority to take over any proceeding in (i) at any time.
2) to have monopoly over interpreting and executing any law for the duration of a trial
3) to be composed of i)jury ii)judge iii)observers
4 a) the accused has the right to trial by a jury. The accused may waive that right and be tried by a judge alone if he so chooses
b) Trial by jury - (i) has the obligation to process the case of the individual on trial by considering the evidence provided and reach a verdict ("guilty" or "not guilty"). (ii) has the obligation to advise i) on points of law and produce a sentence if the accused is convicted, subsequent to (i) reaching the verdict "guilty", based on the revised sentencing guidelines (Legal Notice AG 2008/17) and punishment provisions as scheduled in the Criminal Code 1951 as amended. (iii) has the right to observe in all cases
5 a) i)Juries are to be chosen by ballot (lottery) (ii)High Court Judges are to be appointed by the Prime Minister in consultation with the IA Ministry. Local government are to appoint Magistrates. Any citizen has the right to be in (iii).
b) Statutory retirement of (ii) High Court Judges - 73 yrs of age; Magistrates - 67 yrs of age.
c) Judges may apply for early retirement at their own discretion. High Court Judges to petition the Office of the Prime Minister, Magistrates the local government.
6) court discipline is enforced by civilian ushers aided by the police when necessary.
7) The individual on trial has a right to defend himself or make use of a free IA ministry provided lawyer
8 a) The trailed individual has the right to appeal to any court for the period of 3 months subsequent to the trial's conclusion. A maximum of two appeals are allowed
b) Judicial review - A High Court case can always be reopened by the Review Board of the Court of Appeals if substantial new evidence arises.
c) Review Board to be a panel of 4 senior judges convened as necessary


Intelligence service:

1) The intelligence service is under the control of the Office of the Prime Minister which delegates operational tasks to the IA ministry and the defence ministry as necessary.
(2) The function of the Service shall be the protection of national security and, in particular, its protection against threats from espionage, terrorism and sabotage, from the activities of agents of foreign powers and from actions intended to overthrow or undermine the state by political, industrial or violent means.
(3) It shall also be the function of the Service to safeguard the economic well-being of the ROP against threats posed by the actions or intentions of persons outside the PoFo Islands.
4 a) Parliament to appoint an independent Commissioner to review all documents relating to the Service and report to the House
b) If it appears to the Prime Minister, after consultation with the Commissioner, that the publication of any matter in a report would be prejudicial to the continued discharge of the functions of the Service, the Prime Minister may exclude that matter from the copy of the report as laid before the House.


Prisons:

1) to be located in venues owned and designated to this purpose by the IA ministry
2) to be administrated by the respective IA ministry department, appointed by the IA minister
3) any individual given a custodial sentence by a court judge comes into the jurisdiction of the department in (2) at the point of sentencing
User avatar
By MB.
#13066495
I do not support this bill.
User avatar
By Vladimir
#13066503
Why not ?
User avatar
By MB.
#13066729
Are you going to mail me one of these ID cards?
  • 1
  • 5
  • 6
  • 7
  • 8
  • 9
Russia-Ukraine War 2022

Hamas are terrorist animals who started this and […]

It is possible but Zelensky refuses to talk... no[…]

Israel-Palestinian War 2023

@skinster Hamas committed a terrorist attack(s)[…]

"Ukraine’s real losses should be counted i[…]