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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jun 2009, 14:16
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Meh, I have trouble believing them.

I have trouble believing any estimates right now. I honestly think they're just pulling numbers out of their asses for the most part and praying they get it close. I think the overall picture is somewhat accurate though.

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Federal government reported the income of 17.9% of GDP and total spending of 21.4%. By comparison the US federal government spending is about 28% of GDP.

What's the point in this comparison without telling us the US's income? The deficit is all that matters and the US is already at $1 trillion for the first half of fiscal 2009 (October-April).
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jun 2009, 20:57
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What's the point in this comparison without telling us the US's income?
Well, it was kind of a sidepoint that the US Federal government spending is higher than Russian, not even including the equally gigantic US state spending and others, which would suggest that at this point Russia is more capitalist than the United States.
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Well, it was kind of a sidepoint that the US Federal government spending is higher than Russian, not even including the equally gigantic US state spending and others, which would suggest that at this point Russia is more capitalist than the United States.

Makes sense I guess, but that was already evident last fall with the bailouts and such.

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July 1 (Bloomberg) -- Russia’s economy “has reached or is rapidly approaching its turning point” after a gauge of industrial production shrank at the slowest pace since September, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

“We expect gross domestic product to return to growth in the second half, thanks to a jump in fiscal spending and an ongoing easing of lending conditions,” Rory MacFarquhar, a Moscow-based economist at Goldman, said in a note e-mailed today.

VTB Capital’s Purchasing Managers’ Index climbed to 47.3 in June from 45.3 in the previous month, Moscow-based bank said today. The government has allocated 2.51 trillion rubles ($81 billion) in stimulus spending this year on loans, state aid and subsidies to battle the slump.

The economy contracted 10.2 percent in the first five months of the year and industrial production slumped a record 17.1 percent in May.

Goldman Sachs, which expects Russia’s gross domestic product to contract an annual 7.5 percent in 2009, reiterated its prediction for a 3 percent growth next year as the recovery in oil prices boosts liquidity and helps the government to finance its spending program.

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Like I said, light at the end of the tunnel. If GDP growth returns in the third quarter that would put it in a good position to make a full recovery by end-2010. But on the other hand, the rest of Eastern Europe isn't faring so..uh..less bad.

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July 1 (Bloomberg) -- Hungary, Latvia, Romania and Ukraine lead at least eight East European countries that may default on their debts after years of “gorging on cheap credit,” according to Royal Bank of Scotland Plc.

East European nations have received more than $90 billion in international aid since September to cope with the global financial crisis and avoid defaults. Latvia and Ukraine appear the most vulnerable, according to an International Monetary Fund model applied by the bank.

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The most compelling single indicator for a potential sovereign debt crisis is the ratio of external debt to gross domestic product, they wrote. Latvia tops the list at 148 percent, while Hungary follows at 139 percent.

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A “surprising” member of the at risk category for 2009 is Poland, “reflecting its relatively high external financing requirements and modest FX reserve coverage,” the analysts wrote. Its ratio of external debt to gross domestic product is 62 percent.

Some of the biggest emerging markets, Russia, Turkey, the Czech Republic, and South Africa are not identified as risky, according to the report. “All four economies suffered heavy market correction after the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc, but stabilized subsequently,” it said. Lehman Brothers collapsed in September.

No major emerging countries in Asia and Latin America appear vulnerable to a sovereign debt crisis as these regions have current-account surpluses and “relatively light” external debt burdens, the analysts wrote.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jul 2009, 20:02
W01f, it is rather ironic but from what I can see - from the beginning of 2009 at least, the Western economic analysts have been way more optimistic about the prospects of the Russian economy than the Russians themselves have been and so far it appears that the Russians were right - the Western analysts agencies are progressively lowering their expectations as more and more negative statistics comes out, some more readily, others more cautiously. And even now the Western press remains way more optimistic than Russian, the Russian press seems pessimistic all around, predictions ranging from an impending second wave of the crisis to a deep and prolonged contraction and failure to resume growth in 2010 altogether.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jul 2009, 21:27
Actually the World bank and IMF have been one step ahead of anything official coming out of Russia in their forecast downgrades up until just recently when official Q1 data came out and slapped everyone in the face. They were estimating a 2009 contraction long before the Russian finance ministry or the big banks, dating back to late 2008. Media is something else entirely, it just depends on whose opinion they decide to focus on. Goldman Sachs is pretty credible.

Though who's predicting a failure to resume growth in 2010? Russia's finance ministry predicts >1% growth, and neither VTB or Bank Rossii predict a prolonged contraction.

Edit: Some new Rosstat figures are out. Inflation was way down again in June, no surprise there. But they adjusted their May unemployment figures down by 1.4% to 8.5%, which is interesting since people were already surprised at the drop. I just read an article a few days ago that was saying Rosstat was inflating unemployment figures, guess they were right. On the other hand, there are new reports coming out that unemployment will spike again in September so who knows.
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Though who's predicting a failure to resume growth in 2010?
Mostly the business chiefs, but the statements coming out of the Finance and Economic Development ministries are equally depressing sometimes.

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New: Argentina, Serbia, Macedonia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Panama, Costa Rica, Uruguay, Paraguay, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jul 2009, 13:36
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Mostly the business chiefs, but the statements coming out of the Finance and Economic Development ministries are equally depressing sometimes.

Well the finance ministry just announced a new estimate of 1% growth for 2010. Industrial production in June finally started to recover, manufacturing and services are just on the brink of growth, while the overall GDP is continuing to climb its way back up. 2010 isn't going to be a boom year for sure, neither is 2011, but a prolonged contraction seems unlikely.

btw, does anyone remember America's supposed summer recovery? I'm much more worried about their situation, and when I say worried, I do mean that sincerely since it's bound to have an effect on the Canadian economy in the long run. This is much more than your average economic recession.
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