[SolarCross]

@Drlee
Do you think Keynes was a socialist? The freemarketeers tend to slander Keynesian or mercantilist institutions as "socialism" because that is a pretty insulting term. It is funny to see you apparently take that slander literally.

[Hindsite]

Can you specify a regulation that causes undue expenses? My background is in construction, so I am most familiar with building safety regulations. Would you say that the regulations concerning minimum heights of guardrails (42"!) is somehow making guardrails prohibitively expensive?

Labor Regulations: For example, minimum wage/overtime and spread of hours plus the Obamacare regulations cause undue expense on employers.

I don't disagree with most safety regulation that I can think of at the moment. But I am not familiar with all the safety regulations in construction.

However, OSHA safety regulations do cause added expenses on many businesses. For, example, it has been estimated that employers pay almost $1 billion per week for direct workers' compensation costs alone.

[Sivad]

You really think those are undue expenses? To me they seem pretty fair and reasonable. They could probably reduce a lot of those costs if they agreed to let the government take over healthcare.

[Hindsite]

You really think those are undue expenses? To me they seem pretty fair and reasonable. They could probably reduce a lot of those costs if they agreed to let the government take over healthcare.

Government take-over of healthcare is another part of the globalist agenda in the eventual creation of a Satanic one world government that controls all peoples lives. It would eliminate Christian capitalism. Don't you see that?

[B0ycey]

Government take-over of healthcare is another part of the globalist agenda in the eventual creation of a Satanic one world government that controls all peoples lives. It would eliminate Christian capitalism. Don't you see that?

A free health care is Satanic? Some could argue the current unaffordable system you have today is the more Satanic.

[Pants-of-dog]

Labor Regulations: For example, minimum wage/overtime and spread of hours plus the Obamacare regulations cause undue expense on employers.

To not have them would cause undue expense on the employee.

As for your health care insurance issues, this is not a problem for the civilised world, as we have adopted the socialist policy of public health care.

I don't disagree with most safety regulation that I can think of at the moment. But I am not familiar with all the safety regulations in construction.

However, OSHA safety regulations do cause added expenses on many businesses. For, example, it has been estimated that employers pay almost $1 billion per week for direct workers' compensation costs alone.

But these are not undue expenses. And the whole point of these kinds of safety regulations is to avoid illness and injury caused by work. You can avoid payung out worker's comp if you follow regulations and maintain a safe work environment.

This is actually an example of how businesses benefit from regulations.

[Hindsite]

A free health care is Satanic? Some could argue the current unaffordable system you have today is the more Satanic.

What we have today is Satanic also. We call it Obamacare. It was part of the scheme to get to a single payer system where the government controls all people's healthcare.

This is actually an example of how businesses benefit from regulations.

I doubt if you are going to find any business owner that sees it your way.

[Sivad]

Some could argue the current unaffordable system you have today is the more Satanic.

Yeah, for profit healthcare run by vicious corporations is about as Satanic as it gets. I can't think of a more depraved arrangement. It's been a while since I read the gospels but I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't charge anyone for his healing services and never denied anyone for a preexisting condition or lack of coverage.

[Hindsite]

Yeah, for profit healthcare run by vicious corporations is about as Satanic as it gets. I can't think of a more depraved arrangement. It's been a while since I read the gospels but I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't charge anyone for his healing services and never denied anyone for a preexisting condition or lack of coverage.

Jesus did not give free healthcare to everyone either. In our time, some doctors donate their services at times, but they must make a living too by charging for their services. It is called capitalism, and Jesus certainly believed in capitalism.

[B0ycey]

What we have today is Satanic also. We call it Obamacare. It was part of the scheme to get to a single payer system where the government controls all people's healthcare.

Can I ask, if you had a life or death disease where your insurance provider just swindled you out of paying for your care with some technicality, would it matter to you that your government could control healthcare if it also meant they would treat you without the need of you having to go bankrupt?

[B0ycey]

Jesus did not give free healthcare to everyone either. In our time, some doctors donate their services at times, but they must make a living too by charging for their services. It is called capitalism, and Jesus certainly believed in capitalism.

Did Jesus charge lepers and the blind when curing them? I wonder what he meant with the camel and the eye of the needle if he loved Capitalism so much.

[Pants-of-dog]

I doubt if you are going to find any business owner that sees it your way.

Regulations are not set up to only benefit the business owner, even though they are part of the decision making process when it comes to making regulations, as they are stakeholders.

Do you know what regulations are for?

[Sivad]

Jesus did not give free healthcare to everyone either.

Jesus rationed care?

It is called capitalism, and Jesus certainly believed in capitalism.

I remember Jesus casting out the money changers, I remember him saying things like "you cannot serve both God and mammon" and "it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven" but I don't remember him saying blessed are the capitalists for they shall inherit the means of production? Didn't the first Christian community hold all possessions in common?

[Hindsite]

Can I ask, if you had a life or death disease where your insurance provider just swindled you out of paying for your care with some technicality, would it matter to you that your government could control healthcare if it also meant they would treat you without the need of you having to go bankrupt?

Swindling is against the law. So that should be handled through the judicial system. Certainly no one wants to go bankrupt, but there are also bankruptcy lawyers and courts available for personal protection. I understand Donald Trump took advantage of the bankruptcy laws to protect some of his businesses.

I don't think it is desirable for the government to take complete control of our healthcare. What the government does with Medicare and Medicaid is plenty, in my opinion.

[Vanasalus]

What we have today is Satanic also. We call it Obamacare. It was part of the scheme to get to a single payer system where the government controls all people's healthcare.

You are the very confirmation of the statement that the biggest dessert in the world is neither in northern Africa nor in central Asia, but within some men's skulls.

What is truly satanic is to treat healthcare like any other service industry, in which some form and extend of supply/demand elasticity always exist.

There is no such elasticity in healthcare.

If doctor says you need a by-pass surgery, you need to have it at once. You cannot postpone it. Or if doctor says you need radiotherapy and chemotherapy for your cancer, you cannot say "I'll take chemotherapy only, thank you".

And, American example is before our eyes to observe:

When you let free market conditions reign over healthcare industry, which is inherently incompatible to market economy, what you accomplish are the world's highest healthcare spending per capita by a large margin and an overall healthcare quality on a par with developing countries.

[Sivad]

Matthew 25
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment

[Hindsite]

Regulations are not set up to only benefit the business owner, even though they are part of the decision making process when it comes to making regulations, as they are stakeholders.

Do you know what regulations are for?

Regulations are meant to control people's lives.

[B0ycey]

Swindling is against the law. So that should be handled through the judicial system. Certainly no one wants to go bankrupt, but there are also bankruptcy lawyers and courts available for personal protection. I understand Donald Trump took advantage of the bankruptcy laws to protect some of his businesses.

I don't think it is desirable for the government to take complete control of our healthcare. What the government does with Medicare and Medicaid is plenty, in my opinion.

Perhaps swindle is the wrong word. Loophole might have been better. Nonetheless as you are happy with the current system (excluding Obamacare of course), then as you are American I will digress for now.

I however being in the UK am more than happy with the NHS system we have over here.

[Hindsite]

Jesus rationed care?

I did not say that. However, the Holy Bible does state that Jesus was unable, at times, to do any of his miracle cures for one reason or another. And in some cases he required the person to do something to receive the cure.

I remember Jesus casting out the money changers, I remember him saying things like "you cannot serve both God and mammon" and "it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven" but I don't remember him saying blessed are the capitalists for they shall inherit the means of production? Didn't the first Christian community hold all possessions in common?

Jesus objected to the money changers and other merchants setting up business on the Sabbath in the temple , which He referred to as a house of worship and prayer. Jesus never had objection to them doing their capitalistic businesses during the week outside the temple. Jesus did not even object to paying taxes to the government of Rome.

Jesus also praised capitalism in his first two parables of Matthew 25 which refers to the wise virgins that refused to share some of their oil with the foolish virgins, but told them instead to go out and buy for themselves. Being prudent in buying goods in part of capitalism.

And the second parable about the talents is about capitalistic investing of money. The first two servants were able to double their investments, while the third servant was lazy and did not invest the money and earned nothing.

So his master said to him, "You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest."
(Matthew 25:26-27)

The first two servants, who were praised, were capitalist, whereas the criticized servant was not. So according to Jesus, capitalism is good.

The final parable of Matthew 25 shows that being greedy and not compassionate is not rewarded. However, before one can help the poor and hungry, one must have earned enough to do so. This is were capitalism comes in so you can invest and make enough money to not only take care of yourself, but can also share with others when it becomes necessary to help the hungry, thirsty, and naked among us. Praise the Lord.

[Rich]

Can you specify a regulation that causes undue expenses? My background is in construction, so I am most familiar with building safety regulations. Would you say that the regulations concerning minimum heights of guardrails (42"!) is somehow making guardrails prohibitively expensive?

I was on a site some years ago and told we couldn't take our shirts off because the main contractor was worried about getting sued for skin cancer. So yes even on Building sites you can have health and safety bull shit, but construction is very unsafe and because of ever more machinery health and safety has not improved as it has in other industries. The problem with health and safety is that they spend most of the time focussing on bull shit in offices where risks are minimal and ignoring building sites where more needs to be done.