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Hindsite wrote:Regulations are meant to control people's lives.


No. Like most critics of regulation, you get it wrong.

The purpose of regulations is to protect the public from dangerous defects that would not be apparent to the general public or layperson.
#14839953
B0ycey wrote:Any business relies on their customers. If you can live without their products then boycott them. If enough people agree with you, then it is only a matter of time before the bourgeois becomes the proletariat.

As for living without a state. Try it. Get off the Internet and start tenting in the wilderness.
You've been thoroughly brainwashed, haven't you? Without the thieves we simply decide what we need to do and do it. You may have buttons to make you work. but people can do what they please
#14839985
Jesus also praised capitalism in his first two parables of Matthew 25 which refers to the wise virgins that refused to share some of their oil with the foolish virgins, but told them instead to go out and buy for themselves. Being prudent in buying goods in part of capitalism.


What a load of shit. The parable of the virgins has nothing to do with capitalism though a lot of televangelists, grasping at straws, might say so.

The last line of the parable reads:

Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.


The other one is about stewardship. Not capitalism.

God protect me from my fellow citizens.
#14839987
Single payer healthcare is a capture on healthcare workers mainly, they lose the most. Jo Public is made more dependant on the government through the government monopoly on his healthcare but arguably Joe Public should be loyal to the government anyway so some extra leverage for the government is by-the-by but at least for some decades Joe Public gets cheap captured doctors to lord over, so there is some win in there for him

The other losers, as with public education, are religious intitutions because running hospitals and schools are a major source of goodwill and proslytising opportunities for converts for them, if a secular government hijacks that trade then it is lost to them. Unless of course the public education / healthcare is by a theocracy like in Iran or the USSR.

The general economic benefit is zero though.
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Ned Lud wrote:You've been thoroughly brainwashed, haven't you? Without the thieves we simply decide what we need to do and do it. You may have buttons to make you work. but people can do what they please


I understand you are anti bourgeois. But they do have a function that make todays society tick and that is a fact. Not brainwashing. If you want to eliminate the bourgeoisie you should boycott all non essential goods. Eliminate yourself from capitalism all together (if you can). If everyone agree with you, money will lose all value. But the problem is human nature. Could you really give up everything?

People in wealthy countries are well off today - even the so called poor. Sure you have your socialists who want a fairer wealth sharing system. Why not. If in wasn't a haven for corruption perhaps it would be the best political system. But deep down I doubt none of them would be prepared to return to a medieval system of fighting to take what you need or hunt and gathering or living off the land - and really this is what would happen if capitalism ended tomorrow. Everytime there was a major advancement in human achievements, each time it was linked to a society of some form. So can I ask. Can you truely live in anarchy? If so, try it. Live in a tent.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:....excpet Cuba is not living the medieval life. In fact, compared to many other Caribbean nations, it has a decently high standard of living.


Sure. But my post was more to do with Ned Luds comment about people can do what they please (and his previous post before hand). Even in Cuba there is law and order and a functioning society.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:The purpose of regulations is to protect the public from dangerous defects that would not be apparent to the general public or layperson.

Yes, I agree, but overall, regulations are meant to control people's lives.

SolarCross wrote:Single payer healthcare is a capture on healthcare workers mainly, they lose the most. Jo Public is made more dependant on the government through the government monopoly on his healthcare but arguably Joe Public should be loyal to the government anyway so some extra leverage for the government is by-the-by but at least for some decades Joe Public gets cheap captured doctors to lord over, so there is some win in there for him

The other losers, as with public education, are religious intitutions because running hospitals and schools are a major source of goodwill and proslytising opportunities for converts for them, if a secular government hijacks that trade then it is lost to them. Unless of course the public education / healthcare is by a theocracy like in Iran.

The general economic benefit is zero though.

You are right on the money with that. Very good. Praise the Lord. HalleluYah.
#14840051
Hindsite wrote:Yes, I agree, but overall, regulations are meant to control people's lives.


No.

But feel free to explain how making guardrails a minimum of 1070mm in height is a draconian attempt at totalitarianism.
#14840053
Pants-of-dog wrote:No.

But feel free to explain how making guardrails a minimum of 1070mm in height is a draconian attempt at totalitarianism.

I did not say regulations have anything to do with an attempt at totalitarianism. Where you come up with such crazy ideas are beyond my comprehension. May God help you.
#14840057
Hindsite wrote:I did not say regulations have anything to do with an attempt at totalitarianism. Where you come up with such crazy ideas are beyond my comprehension.


Sure.

Can you explain how the guardrail height regulation is meant to control people's lives?

May God help you.


She does. Every day.
#14840068
Pants-of-dog wrote:Can you explain how the guardrail height regulation is meant to control people's lives?

People must obey that regulation or face penalties from the government as they do for ignoring any other regulation or law enforced by the government. If that is not an attempt to control people's lives then what is?

Pants-of-dog wrote:She does. Every day.

Ha ha :lol:
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#14840071
Hindsite wrote:People must obey that regulation or face penalties from the government as they do for ignoring any other regulation enforced by the government. If that is not controlling people then what is?


Then all laws, regulations, ordinances, bylaws, directives, and orders are about that.

Ha ha :lol:


Why do you think that was a joke? Are you an atheist?
#14840078
Pants-of-dog wrote:Then all laws, regulations, ordinances, bylaws, directives, and orders are about that.

Of course.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Why do you think that was a joke? Are you an atheist?

You used the pronoun "She" and everyone knows it should be "He". :lol:
#14840101
B0ycey wrote:People in wealthy countries are well off today - even the so called poor. Sure you have your socialists who want a fairer wealth sharing system. Why not. If in wasn't a haven for corruption perhaps it would be the best political system. But deep down I doubt none of them would be prepared to return to a medieval system of fighting to take what you need or hunt and gathering or living off the land - and really this is what would happen if capitalism ended tomorrow. Everytime there was a major advancement in human achievements, each time it was linked to a society of some form. So can I ask. Can you truely live in anarchy? If so, try it. Live in a tent.


There is a difference between the way poor people today vs earlier poor folks live. Credit cards and monster debt.

I wonder if, between off shoring and at-home factory automation, we are heading into a period of forced self survivalism at the hands of capitalists.
#14840135
Yes, actually, in that you can ignore certain stair and guardrail construction regulations if you can show that the only people using the space will be a certain type. This is usually done for stairs or ramps that will never be accessed by children or people in wheelchairs.
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Stormsmith wrote:There is a difference between the way poor people today vs earlier poor folks live. Credit cards and monster debt.

I wonder if, between off shoring and at-home factory automation, we are heading into a period of forced self survivalism at the hands of capitalists.

You don't seem to understand that capitalists are what is keeping economies from falling apart.
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