- 01 Nov 2020 22:25
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You have the same bad habit that wat0n has, in blaming the proletarian-revolution line / ideology itself, for divergent / revisionist / nationalist historical outcomes, due to external / extenuating factors, namely Western imperialist militarist *invasions* and internal *counterrevolution*.
*None* of the so-called 'socialist states' *ever* empowered the working class / workers / proletariat, so they *weren't* socialist, they were *Stalinist*.
Here's a diagram:
Political Spectrum, Simplified
I don't support the Stalinist states any more than you do -- well, maybe a little, since I support them *geopolitically*, against Western imperialism, as for Venezuela and Iran today.
The world has *never* been Marxist, so that's why it's more incumbent than ever to *make* the world proletarian-socialist, because capitalism is currently *fucking up* on a *grand* scale, and the clock's ticking.
JohnRawls wrote:
Listen, i understand you like marxist economics and so on. The world ain't marxist anymore and the Socialist block has collapsed. The remaining old style socialist states are an economic disaster and the rest either practice social democracy within the liberal democratic model or have went full capitalist while still maintaining "socialism" in name only.
Long story short, classical communist ideas have mistakes are blatantly wrong comapred to liberal democracy/capitalism.
You have the same bad habit that wat0n has, in blaming the proletarian-revolution line / ideology itself, for divergent / revisionist / nationalist historical outcomes, due to external / extenuating factors, namely Western imperialist militarist *invasions* and internal *counterrevolution*.
*None* of the so-called 'socialist states' *ever* empowered the working class / workers / proletariat, so they *weren't* socialist, they were *Stalinist*.
Here's a diagram:
Political Spectrum, Simplified
Spoiler: show
I don't support the Stalinist states any more than you do -- well, maybe a little, since I support them *geopolitically*, against Western imperialism, as for Venezuela and Iran today.
The world has *never* been Marxist, so that's why it's more incumbent than ever to *make* the world proletarian-socialist, because capitalism is currently *fucking up* on a *grand* scale, and the clock's ticking.