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By rik
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How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky

Saul Alinsky wrote "Rules for Radicals" 40 years ago as instructions on how to seize power. He was the original community organizer, an instigator of class warfare and of culture war. He taught liberals how to divide America by organizing communities to seize power. Every problem that we Americans face today can be traced back to compromises with liberal radical leaders.

According to Saul Alinsky, there are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist imperial state...

1. Health care – Control health care and you control the people.

2. Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4. Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and
Income)

6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

7. Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. Also attack religious point of views as being discriminatory.

8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take taxes. Divide people by race, sexual orientations and religious views.
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Oh, God... Saul Alinsky is back in vogue with the Republican right.

rik wrote:According to Saul Alinsky, there are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist imperial state...

What the hell is a "socialist imperial state"?

The rest of what you've written is, as usual, absolute rubbish. A while back, I remember you praising billionaires for ditching US citizenship to lower their tax bills. And now, you are here complaining about "class warfare" and "division". Which is it? If you want a united country, you should expect some level of civic duty. Running away to protect a few precious dollars at the expense of your countrymen doesn't fit that profile. Neither does destroying the living standards of the working and middle classes in a pathetic attempt to "hold on" to a few parasitic billionaires.

As for "class warfare" - there is a class war, and rich financiers have been winning it for a long, long time.
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rik wrote:1. Health care – Control health care and you control the people.

So I take this to mean that a bunch of corporations control the people.

7. Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. Also attack religious point of views as being discriminatory.

I would never take away your unconstitutional right to shove your mythology down my throat!
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1. Health care – Control health care and you control the people.
Yep. Controlling access to healthcare only for those who can afford it does indeed enable the sort of Social Darwinism rik and other Rightists seek.

2. Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
Yep. Keep that downward pressure on wages to maximise profits for the corporate fatcats and the poor will have neither the energy nor the means to object.

3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
Yay! Put up those taxes! (On the rich!)

4. Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
This obsession with guns is a peculiarity of you peculiar Americans, so we'll skip over that one!

5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and
Income)
Yep. You've denied them healthcare, forced them into wage-slavery and handouts and generally subjugated them - no wonder they don't feel in control of their lives.

6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
Take control of what people read and listen to? I can only assume you're talking about the deliberate distortion and misrepresentation of the facts as popularised by the likes of Fox News???

7. Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. Also attack religious point of views as being discriminatory.
I think people are quite good at removing their own belief in God. Besides, whose God?

8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take taxes. Divide people by race, sexual orientations and religious views.
Yep. The right have pursued this remorselessly for most of human history and the American right have elevated it to an art form.



Er....

...weren't you supposed to be attacking the Left, rik???

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Liberals see now that the left has a defined agenda, inspired by Saul Alinski's vision 100%.

There is a very good reason the left fights tooth and nail for socialism. They are marching to Alinski's beat. Every one of the bullet points in the OP, is exactly what the left in America is expending its last energy advocating.

The War on Poverty has been so incredibly successful. The eleventh paragraph of this article says that spending on the War on Poverty has cost Americans $15.9 TRILLION, while ALL wars since the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE has cost Americans $6.4 trillion. http://johnnywhitfield.com/2011/03/the- ... n-poverty/

The truth is, there is no war on poverty. Rather, we have a war for poverty, point #2 on Alinski's plan.

Obama took office with $10 Trillion debt. In 5 years, he has ballooned the debt to $17.4 Trillion. Point #3 on Alinski's plan.

The left's attack on gun owners. Point #4 on Alinkski's plan.

On and on and on...
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rik wrote:1. Health care – Control health care and you control the people.

2. Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4. Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and
Income)

6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

7. Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. Also attack religious point of views as being discriminatory.

8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take taxes. Divide people by race, sexual orientations and religious views.


This roadmap shows that the UK is a little further down the road to hell than the US. Anyhoo in the end their little scam will probably come undone just like it did in the USSR and that was feudal country before they took over so its not like socialism was really any worse than what Joe Averageski was used to.
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Rei Murasame wrote:Bear in mind that those 8 points are unsourced and do not appear to have come out of Saul Alinsky's mouth. They appear to be entirely made up.

Sure maybe. But bear in mind socialists are all doing those things. Some may be well meaning dupes, "useful idiots" as Lenin would say, but somebody must be pulling their strings even if it wasn't Alinsky. They will still fail in the end. They will be lucky if they come out of the collapse as unscathed as they did with the fall of the USSR. If it was up to me I'd hang the lot of them.
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What's interesting about the centre-right is that they denounce Saul Alinsky yet they to elicit the support of the very community who create these Saul Alinsky-type people. Why do they idolise the group that churns out the highest left-liberal intellectuals and community organisers per capita? Can they connect the dots?
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Quantum wrote:What's interesting about the centre-right is that they denounce Saul Alinsky yet they to elicit the support of the very community who create these Saul Alinsky-type people. Why do they idolise the group that churns out the highest left-liberal intellectuals and community organisers per capita? Can they connect the dots?

You mean jews right?
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Yes actually, if you really believe that Jews really are running a nefarious plot to bring into existence the very thing you are afraid of, then how can you stand the sight of them? This is one of the biggest riddles of the centre-right.

Also, none of that is happening, because the western leadership is actually interested in dismantling anything that even looks like it could be even vaguely socialist, and Jewish people are all packed into liberal-capitalist lobby groups (albeit of the centre-left type a lot recently) and central banks. So it's like the centre-right are living in a parallel universe on this or something.
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Rei Murasame wrote:Bear in mind that those 8 points are unsourced and do not appear to have come out of Saul Alinsky's mouth. They appear to be entirely made up.


No. Some guy named Joseph C. Leary apparently wrote this as an opinion piece which he sent to the Beaufort Observer. The Beaufort Observer seems to be some online conservative media outlet.
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taxizen wrote:You mean jews right?

If it's fair game to bring African-Americans into conversations concerning voting for centre-left candidates like Obama, I don't see why we shouldn't bring into account other groups with more clout, like Jews, for example. I can't think of any threads here where Jews were blamed for Obama's victory, yet there were plenty of threads where African-Americans and Latino are blamed, and for centre-leftism in general. If the centre-right truly hate the centre-left, why do they direct their hatred of centre-leftists to marginalised groups?

Rei Murasame wrote:because the western leadership is actually interested in dismantling anything that even looks like it could be even vaguely socialist

I would have thought they would be delighted at the triumph of liberal capitalism. Everybody in the West is pursuing it, from Obama to Cameron. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. Manufacturing has been gutted, whilst those in the FIRE industries are making more profit. We're living in a liberal capitalist's dream which as far away from socialism as possible.

Even Obamacare is just a recycled Republican policy and the UK might get its own Obamacare after the NHS has been dismantled.
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Rei Murasame wrote:Yes actually, if you really believe that Jews really are running a nefarious plot to bring into existence the very thing you are afraid of, then how can you stand the sight of them? This is one of the biggest riddles of the centre-right.
I don't really know who is behind it. I neither worship nor abhor jews or blacks or any other broad ethnic category. You can point to Lenin, Marx and Trotsky being a bit jewish like that means something but then again you could just as easily point to Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand as being a bit jewish like that means something. Oy Veh! Which sort of suggests it doesn't mean anything.
Rei Murasame wrote:Also, none of that is happening, because the western leadership is actually interested in dismantling anything that even looks like it could be even vaguely socialist, and Jewish people are all packed into liberal-capitalist lobby groups (albeit of the centre-left type a lot recently) and central banks. So it's like the centre-right are living in a parallel universe on this or something.
It isn't that simple. Politics is full of screaming crazy people all trying to make a nuisance of themselves so they don't have to get a proper job. For the most part that means making politics spill over where it isn't wanted. Some wade that sewer in the vain attempt to stem the tide of stupidities but they rarely make themselves heard above the noise even when they get the "leadership". Whatever the "liberal-capitalist" lobby is broadly aiming for if it is "dismantling" socialism they aren't making any progress.
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Quantum wrote:What's interesting about the centre-right is that they denounce Saul Alinsky yet they to elicit the support of the very community who create these Saul Alinsky-type people. Why do they idolise the group that churns out the highest left-liberal intellectuals and community organisers per capita? Can they connect the dots?
The whole system is corrupt. Right, left, center, you name it, they're all corruptible. The only movement I can vouch for as committed to its course is the TEA party. It is grassroots emotion born out of genuine concern for the nation's woes.

So fearful is the tea party to the corrupt elites, that they unleashed the mighty IRS machine to trample it. Unfortunately, you cannot silence the majority. Just as the insanity of communism reigned in the USSR for a while, the socialist movement in America should enjoy its moment. It would ultimately meet its demise sure as communism did in USSR. I pray it'd not be too late by the time that happens though. It was for Greece.
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This was a message at the bottom of the page which contains the article that PoD referred to.
I like the above because it's so true but refuse to forward anything like this without a supporting source. I find nothing on or offline to show that these words were from Saul Alinsky. It's these kinds of falsely attributed quotations that damage real efforts to bring down Obama and his constituency.

Ralph


Sums the article up rather nicely when a fellow "patriot" calls you out for copy/paste with no references.

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