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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/ ... Russia.php
WARSAW, Poland: Poland's justice minister suggested Saturday that Russia may have been behind forged documents accompanying Polish meat exports, the discovery of which led to a ban on Polish products.

Zbigniew Ziobro said the documents appeared to have been falsified outside Poland by people accustomed to the Cyrillic alphabet.

Ziobro said prosecutors in the southeastern Polish city of Tarnow have proven during a yearlong investigation that the documents were falsified by "somebody who on a day-to-day basis uses the Cyrillic alphabet," the script used in Russia and some other Slavic countries.



From Polish media on how that was done-the documents lacked Polish diactricts and were full "russianism" that is Polish words as they are spoken or written if russified.
By Russkie
#1054902
"somebody who on a day-to-day basis uses the Cyrillic alphabet," the script used in Russia and some other Slavic countries.

Too bad they don't realize that Southern Slavs and Belorussians and Ukrainains use the cyrillic alphabet.
By Shade2
#1054903
Too bad they don't realize that Southern Slavs and Belorussians and Ukrainains use the cyrillic alphabet.

There are no "Southern Slavs". They formed their own nations centuries ago from tribal Slavic groups that were South Slavs.
None of countries in Southern Europe is hostile to Poland.
Neither is Ukraine.
As for Belarus it is under Russian control.
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By Kiroff
#1054907
As for Belarus it is under Russian control.


No it isn't.
By Shade2
#1056160
No it isn't.

So Poland is a puppet state of Washington(as you said), Polish people are mindless drones(in your opinion, because they don't want to be Russians), but Belarus is a free and independent country ?
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By Minsk
#1056172
accustomed to the Cyrillic alphabet.


So it has to be the Russians because only the Russians are acquainted with Cyrillic. :roll:


So Poland is a puppet state of Washington(as you said), Polish people are mindless drones(in your opinion, because they don't want to be Russians), but Belarus is a free and independent country ?


Poland in my opinion is not a puppet but neither is Belarus.
By Shade2
#1056177
So it has to be the Russians because only the Russians are acquainted with Cyrillic.

There are no other countries that are hostile to Poland that use this rare alphabet. It is also based on the fact that truck drives given the false papers were hired by Russian citizens who gave them those papers.

Poland in my opinion is not a puppet but neither is Belarus.

Poland is a free and democratic country. Belarus is completely controled by Moscow and a dictatorship.
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By kami321
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So it has to be the Russians because only the Russians are acquainted with Cyrillic.

Perhaps it was actually Greek?

It's hard to decide whether Poland is dependent on washington more or less than Belarus is dependent on Moscow. Probably both about the same. After all Lukashenko is only pretending like he is playing an independent game, he knows well that without Russian support his regime wouldn't survive for a long time and crumble in isolation. On the other hand, Poland is much more willing to lick Bush's ass than Belarus does with Putin. Therefore, I think they have about equal dependency.
By Lost Angel
#1056180
There are no "Southern Slavs".
just like there are no blacks - only african-americans ,)

None of countries in Southern Europe is hostile to Poland.
Neither is Russia actually, it is the other way round, but truly amusing how all the Russian-spitting little understates are getting upset if Russia refuses to provide for them, buying their crap products instead of its own ones...

As for Belarus it is under Russian control.
And your sources are?

So Poland is a puppet state of Washington(as you said), Polish people are mindless drones(in your opinion, because they don't want to be Russians), but Belarus is a free and independent country ?
He didn't say that - you just made it up.

So it has to be the Russians because only the Russians are acquainted with Cyrillic. Roll eyes

Those evil Russians, of course, it has to be them... Either way Polish products in Russia are known as very low quality. It is hard to think of a good Polish product, honestly what product is that?
By Shade2
#1056186
Neither is Russia actually,

Russia always views Poland as nr 1 enemy, due to Russian culture and view of geopolitics. Poland is the Russian door to conquest of Europe. And Poland always resists Russian imperialism.

Those evil Russians, of course, it has to be them...

Since the truck drivers from Lithuania with those paper were employed by Russian firm and Russians gave them those papers....

It is hard to think of a good Polish product, honestly what product is that?

Failed Russian imperial ambitions. We make that without even trying.


Probably both about the same. After all Lukashenko is only pretending like he is playing an independent game, he knows well that without Russian support his regime wouldn't survive for a long time and crumble in isolation.

LOL. You believe Washington needs to support some Polish "regime" because it would crumble. You are seriously out of touch with reality. We are neither dependent economically on USA nor military, and Polish government was democratically elected.
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By kami321
#1056191
It is hard to think of a good Polish product, honestly what product is that?

Actually I don't doubt that Poland has good products and this meat controversy is little more than another pissing contest between Moscow and Warsaw. I'm very sure that Russia tolerates low quality products when it comes to CIS nations and keep quiet about it, but when it comes to countries like Georgia or Poland - of course the question of quality immidiately takes shape! ;)


Shade2
Original version:
Dead Russian soldiers.

Modified version:
Failed Russian imperial ambitions. We make that without even trying.


I like your original version better ;)
By Lost Angel
#1056196
I'm very sure that Russia tolerates low quality products when it comes to CIS nations and keep quiet about it, but when it comes to countries like Georgia or Poland - of course the question of quality immidiatrly takes shape!

Absolutely so, if you have to choose between having a bad meal in a restaurant where all the waiters hate you and the same kind of crappy food in the restaurant where the servants are nice to you, where'd you go for a meal? (considering you have no other options to choose from)
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By Minsk
#1056199
Belarus is completely controled by Moscow and a dictatorship.


If it were, which is isn't, I cannot think of a better country to be controlled by than Putinist Russia.

It's hard to decide whether Poland is dependent on washington more or less than Belarus is dependent on Moscow. Probably both about the same. After all Lukashenko is only pretending like he is playing an independent game, he knows well that without Russian support his regime wouldn't survive for a long time and crumble in isolation. On the other hand, Poland is much more willing to lick Bush's ass than Belarus does with Putin. Therefore, I think they have about equal dependency.


Now this makes a lot of sense.

Either way Polish products in Russia are known as very low quality. It is hard to think of a good Polish product, honestly what product is that?


That's a good question. Poland is lucky to be trading with Russia at all.

Russia always views Poland as nr 1 enemy, due to Russian culture and view of geopolitics. Poland is the Russian door to conquest of Europe. And Poland always resists Russian imperialism.


:lol:
WTF!

I have never heard anywhere in Russian history where Poland is the no. 1 enemy of the state. Germany maybe. But Poland was allied with the USSR from the 1930's until 1990, and then from 1995 to 2005 with Putinist Russia.

Since the truck drivers from Lithuania with those paper were employed by Russian firm and Russians gave them those papers....


Have you ever considered ... it could be the Russian mob... At least it makes more sense than Russia trying to shut down Poland's trade, which is crap anyway but still flowing into Russia, and yet its no. 1 enemy.

have a drink and organise yourself.
By Shade2
#1056201
I like your original version better Wink

Yes I toned down it, no need to disgrace innocent people who lost their lives for their Khans and Party leaders. I hope Russians will one day become people free and democratic.


I'm very sure that Russia tolerates low quality products when it comes to CIS nations and keep quiet about it, but when it comes to countries like Georgia or Poland - of course the question of quality immidiately takes shape!

Seems like Russia isn't mature enough to enter WTO.
By Lost Angel
#1056210
Russia always views Poland as nr 1 enemy, due to Russian culture and view of geopolitics. Poland is the Russian door to conquest of Europe. And Poland always resists Russian imperialism.
Poland is too small and inconsiderable for claiming #1 enemy role of Russia. Annoying, yes, but so are flies.

Since the truck drivers from Lithuania with those paper were employed by Russian firm and Russians gave them those papers....
Yes, yes, bad Russians, evil Russians, now good Polish folk will have to eat it's own crap meat, how sad... ,)

Failed Russian imperial ambitions. We make that without even trying.
you make what? good products? care to name like 5? ok, like 1? ,) Honestly, Poland isn't a biggy and it's funny to see how easy it is for Russia to teach the doggy to behave.

LOL. You believe Washington needs to support some Polish "regime" because it would crumble. You are seriously out of touch with reality. We are neither dependent economically on USA nor military, and Polish government was democratically elected.
He was referring to Belorussia ,) It is unlikely that Poles would like to join Russia of course. However this summer Poland's elected government was a laughing stock of German newspapers (though I did not bother to read into it, just saw humorous headlines)... You are dependent politically on the USA, however.

My oh my, so you are Polish, nice to meet you. ,)

I hope Russians will one day become people free and democratic.
Let the glorious and noble Poles lead poor little Russia to freedom and democracy ,)
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By Shade2
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Poland is lucky to be trading with Russia at all.

The less we trade with Russia the better as Russia uses trade as weapon.Polish trade with Russia isn't much-circa 3%, less then with Czech Republic(with whom we trade more).

I have never heard anywhere in Russian history where Poland is the no. 1 enemy of the state.

XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX centuries.
In XIX century Russia was in grip of Polonophobia and Poles were treated much like Jews, with massive pogroms throughout the country. This was due to Polish resistance to Russification and destruction of program of panslavism which aimed to expand Russian control over Europe.

Germany maybe.

Most of history Germany was an ally of Russia against Poland.For example in the time period 1939-1941.

But Poland was allied with the USSR from the 1930's until 1990

Poland was invaded and occupied by Soviet Union in 1939. The occupation lasted till 1990 when we regained freedom.Milions were murdered due to Soviet operations.

and then from 1995 to 2005 with Putinist Russia.

Are you joking ? What is the source of this absurd information ?
By Lost Angel
#1056220
You'll get used to it. Shade has been warning Europeans of the Russian imperial ambitions and the threat of Bolshevism ever since he joined. He will not give up until all Europe stands united to face the Russian imperialist Communazis!
What a troubled young man, that's what freedom and democracy does to people!

Seems like Russia isn't mature enough to enter WTO.
No no, Russia is amature, like lolitas in porno .) So unlike mature Poland... ,)
By Shade2
#1056226
Poland is too small and inconsiderable for claiming #1 enemy role of Russia.

Poland is just circa three times smaller in terms of economy and population then allmighty. Besides Polish position in geopolitics and culture of Russia make it enemy nr 1.

Annoying, yes, but so are flies.

Yawn. Considering the fact that we destroyed Russian imperialist ambitions more times then I can remember we are very annoying indeed :lol:

Honestly, Poland isn't a biggy and it's funny to see how easy it is for Russia to teach the doggy to behav

Russia teaching the doggy ? Dear sir you are deluded. Russia has never been able to force Poles into obedience. Not with genocide, not with military occupation. Blocking lousy 400mil$ of meat exports is a piece of a cake to us.

However this summer Poland's elected government was a laughing stock of German newspapers

Oh you meant the same country that 60 years tried to exterminate Poles as subhuman ? Well let just say I don't consider them to be the most objective source about Poland :)


You are dependent politically on the USA, however.

In which way ? :lol: Look we aren't dependent on anyone. We don't care about our political image in Europe. If we did we already wouldn't exist.

No no, Russia is amature, like lolitas in porno .)

My my, such fine political observations. Is it because you are from Germany ?
By Lost Angel
#1056261
Poland is just circa three times smaller in terms of economy and population then allmighty. Besides Polish position in geopolitics and culture of Russia make it enemy nr 1.
As I said - your ambition is not proportional with your significance in this context.

Yawn. Considering the fact that we destroyed Russian imperialist ambitions more times then I can remember we are very annoying indeed Laugh out loud
Send my regards to Ivan Susanin ,)

Russia teaching the doggy ? Dear sir you are deluded. Russia has never been able to force Poles into obedience. Not with genocide, not with military occupation. Blocking lousy 400mil$ of meat exports is a piece of a cake to us.

Not teaching the doggy? Poor Russia that it can't even teach a doggy... I am deluded, yes, utterly insane... Genocide, you say? Sure, not only Jews can exploit this nice trick, let Poles also speak of the genocide! Everyone is entitled to one .) Have fun eating that meat - how was it in Bulgakov's Dog's Heart about Krakovskaya sausage?.. stomach poisoning? Or perhaps you never heard of this great Ukrainian writer ,)
Oh you meant the same country that 60 years tried to exterminate Poles as subhuman ? Well let just say I don't consider them to be the most objective source about Poland Smile
Oh, of course, one should refer to Polish or American press (Brits would do too - they suck up to USA real hard, might have sucked some "objectivity" out of it...)...

In which way ? Laugh out loud Look we aren't dependent on anyone. We don't care about our political image in Europe. If we did we already wouldn't exist.
Oh sure, I made a mistake - Poland is a grown up girl already, it doesn't need mom and dad to help it go to school.)

My my, such fine political observations. Is it because you are from Germany ?
Does that matter, my Polish friend? I see that my humble persona excites your imagination somehow...
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By Theodore
#1056269
So we're expected to believe:

(1) That Khan Putin, taking a break from his busy daily schedule of plotting world domination in general and the destruction of Poland in particular, decided to defame Polish meat for no good reason, and in order to do so hired a guy that couldn't write in Polish if his life depended on it.

(2) That one can detect the difference in printed documents written by someone who uses the Latin and Cyrillic alphabet on a daily basis. I mean, what, did this guy confuse N and H? Or something?
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