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By Simsydav
#1131765
Hehe - so was this poll result because so many had moved to other EU countries?
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By AnarchoFun
#1132930
What was the poll to prove was that Poles prefer their pseudo-communistic period than todays Poland under the rule Kaczynski Bros. But a significant part of their electorate in fact has a great affection for that period not because of communism, but beacause it was statist and authoritarian.

As to me, I'm a young person living in Poland and I dont remember Peoples Republic of Poland well. I think quality of life is a bit better today. Yeah, we have more of that capitalist glitter. That however doesnt prevent me from considering myself a libertarian communist. I just think real grass-root communism would be better. To be honest, i feel realy disgusted looking at all that neoliberal reality around me. Of course I'm aware my nation is the worst material for implementing socialism, because Poles completely lack any social imagination. They hardly deserve calling them a society, the social fabric is rotten due to capitalism working great. That's the 'emancipatory function of money'. There's no social activity (partly thanks to the period of state capitalism). I'd say there's no society at all, just an aggregation of individuals, seeming to have nothing in common. And they (especially my generation) dont even want to have anything in common with anybody else. The prevailing ideology is not liberal, is not conservative or else - its just dog-eat-dog mentality. So the situation in Poland makes a really good soil for neo-liberal capitalism, which is actually in blossom today and will surely hold on for a very long time
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By clearthought
#1132936
People are generally more negative about their current situation than alternative ones — 'the grass is always greener on the other side' fallacy!
People tend to forget some aspects of history and are quick to say 'things would be better if we hadn't...' or 'things would be better if we...'. That's why in some electoral systems people get fed up with a party, vote for another party, and find that one is even worse! On the other hand, sometimes people are resistant to change so, staying with the party example, they continually support the same party not helping them or they just become apathetic about their country's politic. Nevertheless, Poland's current government is not so great; which leads me to the question of why they elected it or do not elect a different one.
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By Zel
#1132941
Nevertheless, Poland's current government is not so great; which leads me to the question of why they elected it or do not elect a different one.


Because they have only been in power for 1 1/2 years and if their coalition doesnt disintegrate they will have a 4 year term before they can be voted out of office.
By SpiderMonkey
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What was the poll to prove was that Poles prefer their pseudo-communistic period than todays Poland under the rule Kaczynski Bros. But a significant part of their electorate in fact has a great affection for that period not because of communism, but beacause it was statist and authoritarian.

As to me, I'm a young person living in Poland and I dont remember Peoples Republic of Poland well. I think quality of life is a bit better today. Yeah, we have more of that capitalist glitter. That however doesnt prevent me from considering myself a libertarian communist. I just think real grass-root communism would be better. To be honest, i feel realy disgusted looking at all that neoliberal reality around me. Of course I'm aware my nation is the worst material for implementing socialism, because Poles completely lack any social imagination. They hardly deserve calling them a society, the social fabric is rotten due to capitalism working great. That's the 'emancipatory function of money'. There's no social activity (partly thanks to the period of state capitalism). I'd say there's no society at all, just an aggregation of individuals, seeming to have nothing in common. And they (especially my generation) dont even want to have anything in common with anybody else. The prevailing ideology is not liberal, is not conservative or else - its just dog-eat-dog mentality. So the situation in Poland makes a really good soil for neo-liberal capitalism, which is actually in blossom today and will surely hold on for a very long time


To me that sounds much like British society after Thatcher had done fucking it over. Now all british voters want to hear is 'tax cut'. If the historical parallel holds then expect declines in education and healthcare, and waves of crime from youths that don't feel any sense of social cohesion.
By Shade2
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The poll I've seen distinctly shows that 40% of respondents would rather live in the PLR in its last 10 to 20 years than in the present.

Vasili please don't lie, nothing like that is asked in the poll cited on extremist left-wing site.
That question doesn't really ask anything. It is much too broad.

The question is simple and straightforward, most people like the changes.

There's no social activity

Why, there is a lot of social activity, Oaza movement, Rodzinny Radia Maryja, pilgrimages. Those social activties and organisations attract millions of Poles.
I'd say there's no society at all, just an aggregation of individuals, seeming to have nothing in common.

Complete ignorance, Poles are connected by deep religious attitude for example. It manifests itself often.
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By Thunderhawk
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Why, there is a lot of social activity, Oaza movement, Rodzinny Radia Maryja, pilgrimages. Those social activties and organisations attract millions of Poles.


Different Poles, or the same million going to each?


Complete ignorance, Poles are connected by deep religious attitude for example. It manifests itself often.


For my Polish family outside of Poland, I'd agree. For my family in Poland, not so much.
By Shade2
#1133992
Different Poles, or the same million going to each?

These groups are connected to each other. Oaza movement is for young people, Rodziny Radia Maryja for elderly etc.
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By alyster
#1133995
I wouldn't make too big conclusion over one poll. I mean if you'd take such a poll on Polish Communist Party home page, you'd surely get atlist 70% of people voting for the old regime. However which counts are the national elections. Maybe Shade can tell us how much support commies had there last time?
By Shade2
#1134003
Maybe Shade can tell us how much support commies had there last time?

Sure thing alyster.
2,106 votes out of 11,804,676 that is 0,02 % of support overall in elections.
:D
By Jaksiemasz
#1134044
2,106 votes out of 11,804,676 that is 0,02 % of support overall in elections.

How many voices did liberals get on first elections in Polish PR ?
By Shade2
#1134054
How many voices did liberals get on first elections in Polish PR ?

They were two liberal parties-Unia Demokratyczna and Kongres Liberalno Demokratyczny
Unia Demokratyczna-1,382,051 votes 12,32%
Kongres Liberalno Demokratyczny-839,978 7,49%
Altogether 2,222,029 votes out of 11, 218, 602 votes cast
By Jaksiemasz
#1134057
How can it be so that puppet pro-Soviet administrative entity allowed two pro-western parties to participate in elections and didn't falsificate it announcing that Communist party got 99.5% of votes ?
By Shade2
#1134067
How can it be so that puppet pro-Soviet administrative entity allowed two pro-western parties to participate in elections and didn't falsificate it announcing that Communist party got 99.5% of votes ?

Economic collapse meant they were too busy at home. They did beheave in such a way though for almost 50years(1939-1941, 1945-1989).
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By AnarchoFun
#1134343
Shade2 wrote:Why, there is a lot of social activity, Oaza movement, Rodzinny Radia Maryja, pilgrimages. Those social activties and organisations attract millions of Poles.
Please tell me that was a joke. I see you understand participation in a kind of religious sectarianism as social activity. It may be, but only assuming a realy wide definition of social activity - so that even war can be seen as social activity. A devotional picnic is not social activity i'm talking about.

Shade2 wrote:Complete ignorance, Poles are connected by deep religious attitude for example. It manifests itself often.

Ha ha ha :lol: No doubt superficial (almost never deep!) devotion and sentimental clericalism expressed in ridiculous JP2 cult are something that makes Poles feel like unity. But after a sunday mass they go on to cut one anothers throats. Excuse me but that doesn't make em a society.
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By Zel
#1134470
Complete ignorance, Poles are connected by deep religious attitude for example. It manifests itself often.


One has to take that statement with a grain of salt considering you have already proclaimed that you are an atheist.
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By clearthought
#1134599
Isn't it a strong stereotype to label Pols as "connected by a deep religious attitude" that "manifest itself often", Shade2?
By Shade2
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Isn't it a strong stereotype to label Pols as "connected by a deep religious attitude" that "manifest itself often", Shade2?

So you believe they are specific cultural traits that can be found in a wider group ?
One has to take that statement with a grain of salt considering you have already proclaimed that you are an atheist.

Yes, but I am also a transhumanist, I am not really a typical Pole when it comes to those believes.

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