there is no need of any dictate, there should be a cooperation between Europe
Oh cute, changing your line now ? Just a while your shouting "quisling" at Poland simply because we don't share the hegemonic dreams of two murderous countries that tried to murder our nation so many times.
and Russia and this cooperation should be democratic.
Yeah, right. With Russia and Germany having together over 200 milion people that would mean dictate to Poland with 38 milion people. That is why your despotic dream about Eurasian state will never be accepted.
Why do you think that American dictate would be good for Europe?
There is no country called Europe. Never will be. Stop living in fantasy. Or are you talking about Americans changing the continental plate or something ?
America is interested in a confrontation between Russia and Europe
Yes I am sure America plots to have Switzerland invade Russia right now.
But who profited from this senseless war of European Nations?
Sensless ?! You call Polish resistance to German slaughter of Polish nation classified by German politicians as "sub-human" sensless ?! Disgusting.
And Soviet Russia profited the most, by becoming superpower and occupy Central and Eastern Europe.
What about the Americans who helped Hitler with money?
What about German people who voted for him, died for him, murdered Polish women and children for him. Yeah blame it on the Americans-the only thing they can be blamed about is their naivety in goodness of human nature that blinded them to what German state was capable of towards human beings.
Europeans were too stupid to cooperate and live in peace with each other.
Oh sureee..Poles "were too stupid" not to surrender to their German and Russian overlors and become either exterminated or slaves. Tough luck. We still don't think its a good deal. We much prefer USA and its determination to create independent Poland.
You cannot â€œkeep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down" forever
Oh well, we will try as long as we can so that Poland won't be enslaved again and Poles won't be target of extermination.
If we exclude Russia from Europe, there would be no stability on the European continent.
Yes, we all know here your "stability" the Holy Alliance that kept Poland enslaved in XIX century and your German-Russian deals to keep Poles their slaves.http://victorian.fortunecity.com/wooton ... cki/18.htm
Prussia, foreseeing an inevitable armed conflict with France, made friendly overtures to Russia and offered her assistance in suppressing the Polish uprising. On the 14th day of February arrangements had already been completed, and the British Ambassador in Berlin was able to inform his government that a Prussian military envoy "has concluded a military convention with the Russian Government, according to which the two governments will reciprocally afford facilities to each other for the suppression of the insurrectionary movements which have lately taken place in Poland. The Prussian railways are also to he placed at the disposal of the Russian military authorities for the transportation of troops through Prussian territory from one part of the Kingdom of Poland to another."http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~ ... 863up.html
Russia knew, however, that not even Napoleon III, who personally addressed the czar in that matter, would militarily back up such diplomatic interventions, which were once more repeated in June. Chancellor Gorchakovâ€™s replies were therefore purely negative, referring first to an amnesty promised by the czar and finally declaring that before there could be any discussions with the Poles, their insurrection would have to be crushed.
That was done indeed with the utmost ruthlessness, not only by Russiaâ€™s military might but also by the new administration in both the Congress Kingdom, where a German Balt, Theodore Berg, was made governor general, and in the former grand duchy of Lithuania, where General M. N. Muravyew distinguished himself by acts of special cruelty.
The Russian and German meaning of "European stability" is quite known to any school child in Poland that has history clasess-to keep Russian and German conquests subjugated and exploited
Today Germany has nothing to do with the Third Reich.
What about Prussia that destroyed Poland and whose thinkers treated Poles as animals ? What about Second German Empire and Bismarck that wanted to destroy Polish nation ?
And Third Reich ? What about BdV that allows sales of Waffen SS marches from invasion of Poland during its meetings ? Why isn't it disbanded ?
You do not have to be loyal to Germany, be loyal to Brussels and Europe.
LOL. I am loyal to Warsaw and my country not some idiots in Brussels representing German and French interests in a sorry excuse of a loose economic union that isn't a state, and never will be as long as Poland is in it. Your German PR is hilerious and stereotypical. Be loyal to Brussels-LOL, like I am that stupid not to know you Germans dominate it with French and both of you have different interests then Poles. Not to mention Germans tried to exterminate Poles while France betrayed them. Yeah righ, I am signing my declaration of loyalty right away buhaha.
And Europe ? Why the heck should I be loyal to continental plate ? LOL
USA and England fought for their own interests, not for Polish interests.
Yeah right, I guess this is the reason why USA demanded indepedence of Poland as condition for the end of WW1. Learn history German. You need it.
Poland was for 60 year a colony of the big communistic Russian-Slavic brother,
Oh cute, you don't distinguish even between Russians and Poles and use the Nazi idea of both being "Slavs". Congratulations for convincing me that Germans "changed".
and America accepted that.
Yes, I guess that is why it founded resistance in Poland, helped Solidarity, spent milions on Radio "Free Europe" and President Reagan personally engaged in fight for Polish freedom.
Now Russia is a democratic country
Yeah sure, and North Korea is a republic of workers paradise.
Europeans have to solve their own problems without America
Sadly Poland is too small to fend off both German and Russian agression and USA is needed.
Europeans were too dumb to cooperate
Thanks agains for suggesting Poles were "too dump" to accept becoming German and Russian slaves.
but do we really need the Uncle Sam forever?
Well its certain people you represent don't need it as it opposes their imperalism and dreams of despotic Eurasian tyranny of Russia and Germany,
Both we Poles certainly need it, after all it keeps Germany and Russia at bay.
then America will profit from such a war.
In every war that USA was engaged in in Europe USA's victory was better for Poland then victory of USA's opponents. USA's victory was also victory of Poles.
Will we, Europeans, profit from such a war?
Russians posess their own cultural identity which is Eurasian rather then European.
And its hard to claim any definate cultural identity of Europan anyway.
As to profit-its obvious you Germans and Russians will lose to USA and its allies. So yes you have nothing to profit from such war. For Poland-it is a common day like any other. Russians and Germans always try to destroy us so its nothing new.
Are you too dumb to understand that?
Sorry, that I am "too dumb" to understand that Poles must take orders from Russians and Germans. LOL
Europe cannot do without "little" German money
I will gladly trade this for revision of centuries of German attempts to destroy Polish nation, WW1, WW2, Holocaust, 6milion Polish citizens murdered by Germany, my country exploited by Germany and destroyed in WW2 (Germany never paid circa 540 billion Euro damage in inflicted on Poland), destruction of my country's capital Warsaw by Germans, 200,000 Polish children kidnapped for Germanisation in WW2 and all the other German things we could do without.
Care to trade ?
and without Poland.
Prepare to trade with Russia solely through the Baltic. I am sure its cheap
Btw how's the pipeline going ? Does it cost now 14 billion euro ? I lost count how many times the cost is going up ? Any new countries protesting due to environmental concerns ? I lost track of that also.
Before WWI there was a huge cooperation between Russia and Europe.
Yeah, we know. Poland didn't exist as result of that cooperation.
This time was the golden age for Russia, Europe and the rest of mankind.
I am sure it was golden age for Polish people murdered by Russians, and Polish children beaten for speaking Polish by German teachers.
Nice of you to claim the era in which Polish nation was being murdered and destroyed by Russia and Germany was "golden age for mankind". Perhaps you don't count Poles among humans ? Wouldn't be surprising, would it ?
I am sure in time you will reveal your views on 'golden age' in 1939-1941 time period. Don't be shy, we all know what to expect.
And we had WWI and, as a consequence,
And as consequence Poland was freed from Russo-German tyranny.The Horror ! Of course it angered them greatly.
Nazism had good sides, that's a fact.
Considering your views on Poles and Poland, your statement doesn't suprise.
In the Eurasianists’ view, it was Tatars – to be precise, the Mongols of the 13th century – who laid the foundation of Russian statehood, culture, and, to some degree, even ethnicity.