[UltraBra]

...who you got drunk and also was your relative gets you a grand

Three and a half years of jailtime

What an utter disgrace. I hope someone beats the shit out of him in prison. Or even better, rapes him.

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Oululaismies+vankeuteen+10-vuotiaan+tyt%C3%B6n+raiskauksesta/1135268610490

Now that I thought of it, my thread, my job to do the translating. There is the original and you can ask danholo or Lokakyy to verify it. Here is the translation

''Oulu. The sexual abuse and rape of a child brought a 3½-year sentence to a 31-year old man. Oulu's district court gave it's decision on the matter on Wednesday.
The man, who was 23 at the time of the crime, intoxicated her 10 year old relative girl who had come alone to his apartment. The court saw that the man had raped a girl in a defenceless state. The crime happened in 2004.

It is about one happening, yet the court says it fills the signs of two different crimes. The convicted man has to pay 21 000 euro's of compensation to the girl for her suffering.

The case was done in secrecy. The court gave a public caption about the decision.''

[Rei Murasame]

Where's the link? How do we know this happened?

[danholo]

"Three cheers" to the justice department here. This is an utter disgrace. As some talkbackers are mentioning on the website, the guy will probably be out after a year and a half. Convicts will probably not treat him well, though.

[U184]

Where's the link? How do we know this happened?

Oululaismies imprisonment for 10-year-old girl's rape

Oulu. Child sexual abuse and rape were Oulu-based 31-year-old man for three years and six months imprisonment. Oulu District Court issued a decision on the case Wednesday.

Tekoaikaan 23-year-old man was drunk juottanut about 10-year-old sukulaistyttönsä, who had come alone to her apartment. Court ruled that a man had raped a defenseless state was a girl. The crime took place in 2004.

It is one of the event sessions, but the law, it meets two different offense.

The offender must pay a girl suffering a total of 21 000.

The story dealt with a secret court. Court issued a decision of a public leaflet.

[Chill]

Posting something on facebook can even get you half more year.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

Posting something on facebook can even get you half more year.

And stealing fuel from oil pipelines can even get you the death penalty.

Just to add to all the off-topic posts .

[Chill]

And stealing fuel from oil pipelines can even get you the death penalty.

First, it's

China will hand out severe punishment, including the death penalty, to those who steal fuel from oil pipelines in the future.

"Those who drill pipelines are usually charged with theft and receive prison sentences of less than 10 years," he said.

The same as when Cameron says the government will censor the social network.
Second,

Official figures show that 2,877 people were arrested last year for stealing oil or gas from pipelines. The police recovered about 1 billion yuan (US$123 million) worth of stolen fuel for oil companies.

This is only the amount of money saved. I wonder how much is lost.
Third,

The most common way of stealing, according to the ministry, is by drilling a hole in a section of pipeline and putting on a tap.

it is extremely dangerous as a single spark could easily trigger an explosion if there was a fuel leak.

In December 2003, an illegal tap installed on the Lanchengyu Pipeline, then the country's longest oil pipeline, blew off and caused a leak of more than 440 cubic meters of gasoline.

Oil supplies were cut off for about 15 hours and the nearby railway line was held up for six hours. The spilled gasoline seriously polluted local rivers and thousands of people had to be evacuated.

You tell me whether it's enough to execute these people?
Of course you will say not, because even killing 6 billion people is not enough for death penalty in your ridiculous juridical system.

[U184]

Wow, go for the gold...

[Kaiserschmarrn]

@Chill
Your post was just as flippant as mine. However, it was way more misleading.

Anyway, if you think stealing fuel deserves the death penalty, how about this?

[...]

Table 1 presents capital offenses stipulated in the 1997 Criminal Law.

[...]

Crimes Undermining the Socialist Market Economic Order (15 capital offenses)

• Producing or distributing bogus medicines
• Producing or distributing poisonous or harmful foods
• Smuggling weapons and ammunitions
• Smuggling nuclear materials
• Smuggling counterfeit currencies
• Smuggling cultural relics
• Smuggling precious metals
• Smuggling rare plants and their products
• Counterfeiting currency
• Fund-raising frauds
• Financial instrument frauds
• Letter of credit frauds
• Credit-card frauds
• Illegally issuing value-added tax invoices
• Counterfeiting or selling counterfeit value-added tax invoices

[...]

By the way, why are the number of (death penalty) executions a state secret in China?

[Chill]

Your post was just as flippant as mine.

No. Only your post is flippant. Mine is discreet and accurate.

if you think stealing fuel deserves the death penalty

Don't quote out of contest. Stealing fuel which caused the consequences I mentioned in my previous post deserves death penalty.

how about this?

What's your point? All these are reasonable to result in death penalty under certain circumstances, for instance depending on the amount of money involved.

By the way, why are the number of (death penalty) executions a state secret in China?

Why is that a problem compared to those dirty state secrets kept by every country in the world, including yours? You should worry about those secrets which were kept illegally first, or were made legal under your great system.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

No. Only your post is flippant. Mine is discreet and accurate.

This thread is about a rape case in Finland and your contribution was

Posting something on facebook can even get you half more year.

which obviously refers to the sentences handed out by UK courts for those people found guilty for inciting riots. Note that people die during riots and the destruction brought about by them cost a lot of money. So, your post is off-topic and provides no context (just like mine was but at the same time you are complaining about me not providing context ).

What's your point?

China hands out capital punishment for far lesser crimes than inciting riots, for example robbery and theft (see the document I linked earlier). Many of the looters in the UK would have a chance of actually being executed in China (going to prison for 4 years sounds rather tame compared to that, right?).

Hence, my point is that the UK is far more civilised than countries like China when it comes to punishment for crimes. China in particular has some barbaric laws. Considering the information of the document I linked earlier, I'm sure you agree?

Why is that a problem compared to those dirty state secrets kept by every country in the world, including yours?

Yeah, it's quite a dirty secret. China executes so many of its own people that it does not dare to tell the world the numbers.

[Chill]

which obviously refers to the sentences handed out by UK courts for those people found guilty for inciting riots. Note that people died during these riots and the destruction brought about by them cost a lot of money. So, your post is off-topic and provides no context (just like mine was but at the same time you are complaining about me not providing context ).

Where did I say they shouldn't be sentenced? My point is the laws in Scandinavian countries are ridiculous. In UK, posting on facebook can even bring more fierce punishment than raping a 10 year old girl in Finland. Got it?
Seems to me your contribution is total confusion.

for example robbery and theft

You're very good at quoting out of context, neglecting my post and keeping making pointless post whatsoever.
Why robbery and theft cannot get you death penalty under any circumstances(even stealing nuclear weapon cannot?)? Where did any article say robbery and theft can always get you death penalty? I clearly said 'All these are reasonable to result in death penalty under certain circumstances, for instance depending on the amount of money involved.' If you have a problem with this statement, then argue about this. Don't bring up the irrelevant robbery and theft which can be applied with the exact same principle and I have to repeat things again and again.

Hence, my point is that the UK is far more civilised than countries like China when it comes to punishment for crimes. China in particular has some barbaric laws. Considering the information of the document I linked earlier, I'm sure you agree?

Agree what? How do you define civilized laws in the first place? China punish criminals harsher than UK so China is barbaric. UK punish criminals harsher than Finland so UK is barbaric?
WTF?
Each country set laws depending on its own environment and a lot of westerners is still unaware that your 'perfect' system does not work everywhere.

Yeah, it's quite a dirty secret. China executes so many of its own people that it does not dare to tell the world the numbers.

Seriously do you have trouble understanding English? I said this is not at all a dirty secrets compared to others that all nations around the world keep as state secrets, for example the war crimes committed in Iraq.
What's the point to point a finger at other countries' state secret when the state secrets of yours are no less dirty? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.
Is any there idiot seriously trying to lecture others what should be kept as state secrets and what should not? For example keeping the number of execution as secret is immoral because it's against the right to know but keeping the war crimes as secret is justified because you want to keep occupying others' land legitimately?
Give me a break!

[Kaiserschmarrn]

Where did I say they shouldn't be sentenced? My point is the laws in Scandinavian countries are ridiculous. In UK, posting on facebook can even bring more fierce punishment than raping a 10 year old girl in Finland. Got it?

And I'm correcting you. Posting on facebook does not lead to punishment in the UK - but inciting riots does. Got it?

Agree what? How do you define civilized laws in the first place? China punish criminals harsher than UK so China is barbaric. UK punish criminals harsher than Finland so UK is barbaric?
WTF?
Each country set laws depending on its own environment and a lot of westerners is still unaware that your 'perfect' system does not work everywhere.

Calm down. I thought it would be easy for you to agree with me, but you obviously think thieves - under certain circumstances (here is the context for you) - derserve to be executed. I think it's more appropriate for me to say 'WTF'.

Seriously do you have trouble understanding English? I said this is not at all a dirty secrets compared to others that all nations around the world keep as state secrets, for example the war crimes committed in Iraq.
What's the point to point a finger at other countries' state secret when the state secrets of yours are no less dirty? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

All nation keep state secrets, but it's telling that China has to keep these numbers secret while every other civilised country has no problem with publishing them. We can therefore conclude, that the numbers are very high.

[Chill]

Posting on facebook does not lead to punishment in the UK - but inciting riots does. Got it?

Once again, and the last time, posting on facebook under certain circumstances lead to punishment in the UK. Got it?

but you obviously think thieves - under certain circumstances (here is the context for you) - derserve to be executed. I think it's more appropriate for me to say 'WTF'.

No. It's not appropriate for you to say 'WTF' when you think someone stealing nuclear weapons and probably will blow it in someone's backyard does not deserve being executed.

All nation keep state secrets, but it's telling that China has to keep these numbers secret while every other civilised country has no problem with publishing them. We can therefore conclude, that the numbers are very high.

So you mean nations can only keep state secrets when every other your so-called civilized countries keep them too? Seriously? First of all the 'civilized' nations on your list won't agree on what should be kept from the very beginning.
Every country keeps dirty secrets and different dirty secrets and once again nothing is more idiotic than to lecture others not to keep not so dirty secrets while you keep the most filthy secret on earth.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

Once again, and the last time, posting on facebook under certain circumstances lead to punishment in the UK. Got it?

That's correct, just like 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' can lead to punishment. But to declare that shouting leads to punishment would be flippant and misleading. Because the context is missing. Just like in your post.

Posting something on facebook can even get you half more year.

Got it now?

No. It's not appropriate for you to say 'WTF' when you think someone stealing nuclear weapons and probably will blow it in someone's backyard does not deserve being executed.

WTF! Maybe you also want to give an example that includes credit-card fraud and bribery (both capital offenses in China)?

So you mean nations can only keep state secrets when every other your so-called civilized countries keep them too? Seriously? First of all the 'civilized' nations on your list won't agree on what should be kept from the very beginning.
Every country keeps dirty secrets and different dirty secrets and once again nothing is more idiotic than to lecture others not to keep not so dirty secrets while you keep the most filthy secret on earth.

No, not all countries are the same. I object to your attempt to paint every country with the same brush. For instance, I think New Zealand has less dirty secrets than China, but neither you nor I will be able to prove our points, since we are talking about stae secrets. Anyway, if you happen to know any of NZ's dirty secret, I would be curious to know.

But that's completely irrelevant to my point which is that the Chinese state apparently executes an outrageous number of its own people. It's shameful, in my opinion.

Since you seem to approve of the Chinese government's actions, I would be interested to know why you think it is necessary to execute so many people?

[Chill]

That's correct, just like 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' can lead to punishment. But to declare that shouting leads to punishment would be flippant and misleading. Because the context is missing. Just like in your post.

Declare that shouting can lead to punishment is not flippant and misleading, but accurate and rigorous.
The same as declaring posting on facebook can bring you four years in prison.

Got it now?

Don't be ridiculous.

Maybe you also want to give an example that includes credit-card fraud and bribery (both capital offenses in China)?

I have already mentioned considering the amount of money involved. Please read my post before making your comment.

No, not all countries are the same. I object to your attempt to paint every country with the same brush. For instance, I think New Zealand has less dirty secrets than China, but neither you nor I will be able to prove our points, since we are talking about stae secrets. Anyway, if you happen to know any of NZ's dirty secret, I would be curious to know.

It's irrelevant in the number of dirty secrets at all. You simply don't pretend to be moral and criticize a bigger thief when yourself is a small thief.

the Chinese state apparently executes an outrageous number of its own people. It's shameful, in my opinion.

What's to be shameful to rule by law?

I would be interested to know why you think it is necessary to execute so many people?

It's necessary to execute people according to law. It's even more necessary when so many people break laws under which they should be executed.
Law is law in western nations and law is the tool of brutal rule in opponent nations is a disgusting stereotype.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

Declare that shouting can lead to punishment is not flippant and misleading, but accurate and rigorous.
The same as declaring posting on facebook can bring you four years in prison.

If you cannot see how your post was misleading and flippant I can't help you. But note that a random reader that came across this thread would not be able to understand your statement because context is missing. It comes completely out of the blue and the reader would need knowledge of other threads on this board to make sense of it (like me).

It's irrelevant in the number of dirty secrets at all. You simply don't pretend to be moral and criticize a bigger thief when yourself is a small thief.

Well, you brought the comparison up. I only mentioned this particular state secret of China because it tells us something about the number of executions: that is, it lets us suspect that the number of executions is very high.

What's to be shameful to rule by law?

I'm critisizing both, some of the laws that lead to capital punishments and the fact that capital punishment is apparently applied so frequently that it's a state secret.

Edit: Sorry, I somehow missed the last paragraph of your post.

It's necessary to execute people according to law. It's even more necessary when so many people break laws under which they should be executed.

The question obviously is why the number of executions is disproportionately high.

[dgun]

The discussion concerning Finland as an axis power has been split and moved to WWII forum.

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