- 09 Jan 2008 05:56
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Laz:
Don't forget there are (were?) also Christian Palestinians, who in turn the Muslims are driving out of the territories.
And unless you can concretely back up the Apartheid claim, don't use it. Israel is a full democracy with equal political rights for Jews and Arabs. There are Arab members of Knesset, Arab ministers and Arab doctors and lawyers. Israel has freedom of religion, and the only growing Christian population in the Middle East. Sound like Apartheid?
Which radical Islamic site did you pull that gem off of?
That today's Jews are Turkic/Khazarian and not Middle-Eastern has been roundly discredited.
Check out http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/12/6769 from the National Academy of Sciences.
"Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
Sorry to burst your bubble, but find a new reason. Jews are native to Israel.
I admit there are several racists amongst the Jewish camp and they revolt me. But remember, it is far easier being a Muslim in Israel than a Jew in _______ [Insert Arab/Muslim country here].
We hardly think we are "top class" and deserve more than anyone else. All we want is some respect and a scrap of land to call our own.
Here is just one of the many quotes by Arabs about wiping us off the map:
And there are far more where that came from. Israelis are paranoid, yes, but the paranoia arises from real world events.
Israel is an appartheid system. Their whole policy for decades has been to displace the muslim population there.
Don't forget there are (were?) also Christian Palestinians, who in turn the Muslims are driving out of the territories.
And unless you can concretely back up the Apartheid claim, don't use it. Israel is a full democracy with equal political rights for Jews and Arabs. There are Arab members of Knesset, Arab ministers and Arab doctors and lawyers. Israel has freedom of religion, and the only growing Christian population in the Middle East. Sound like Apartheid?
Foreign jews were moving there since the 1870s in big numbers. Most jews are of khazar origin, not israeli origin.
Which radical Islamic site did you pull that gem off of?
That today's Jews are Turkic/Khazarian and not Middle-Eastern has been roundly discredited.
Check out http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/12/6769 from the National Academy of Sciences.
"Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
This is why I do not support israel.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but find a new reason. Jews are native to Israel.
Also, what creeps me out is the jewish anti-semitism and belief that they are the top class and deserve anything that falls on their minds. I have been in contact with strong supporters of Israel, and at a time supported them too... what shocks me now is their racist view on the muslim minority (formerly a majority) in the country.
I admit there are several racists amongst the Jewish camp and they revolt me. But remember, it is far easier being a Muslim in Israel than a Jew in _______ [Insert Arab/Muslim country here].
We hardly think we are "top class" and deserve more than anyone else. All we want is some respect and a scrap of land to call our own.
The jews claim that forces want to wipe them off the map... yet they don't look at their own actions...
Here is just one of the many quotes by Arabs about wiping us off the map:
“The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map†- President Aref of Iraq, 1967
And there are far more where that came from. Israelis are paranoid, yes, but the paranoia arises from real world events.
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child,
I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly.
His name was spessul olymmian
I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly.
His name was spessul olymmian
My grandma and my father also support Israel. Both of them have already been there twice. I'm looking forward to my first visit there. (But my Hebrew is not so good. Btw.: Is it true that every Israeli speaks at least two languages fluenty?) 
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