[Cromwell]

Or he may have decided that the only way to save the Labour Party is to allow it to split, just as Lenin allowed the Russian Social Democratic Party to split into the Bolshevik and Menshevik factions. If these Blairites want to resign, then let them. "Go, go where you belong - to the rubbish heap of history!"

I have heard rumours of a 'Gang of Four' style split. With the Liberal Democrats resurgent and Corbyn holding on, I think the plotters just might have the balls (and lack of foresight) to try and pull it off.

That has to be the best case scenario, surely? If a purer Labour party retains the support of the Trade Unions (which there's every indication that it should), then we could see a genuinely life-wing government come October (presuming, of course, that the incoming PM can get one, which is more difficult than it used to be, and that he'd want to call one). The chances of that are slim, however.

[ingliz]

Well, if this Red Tory coup succeeds, Labour has lost its ground game and with it any hope of winning power.

The active menbership will never forgive this betrayal

[demima]

This is quite frankly a joke. What do they hope they can achieve with this? If there is another leadership election, Corbyn will probably will by a bigger margin. Are they trying to run another leadership election? If they had the balls, they would lose thousands upon thousands of members.

I did campaigning during the election, and most of the people i met only recently joined up because Miliband offered a slight social democratic platform. If Corbyn hoes and we get another Blairite bank manager type drone, I wouldnt be surprised if the party splits. The funny thing is that those resigned had above average leavers in their constituencies, so what the fuck did they do to sway voters? 63 percent of those that voted Labour at the last election votes to remain.

Furthermore, what the hell is this media collusion with those that resigned on? The Guardian has become a joke and, well, with the others, you kind of expect them to be biased.

[Seeker8]

The Labour party has been at near civil war for months, this is just Corbyn's opponents taken the opportunity to strike. It's not that big an issue in the end.

Our economy has suffered very little due to Brexit too. A slight drop in the value of Sterling is arguably not the worst thing in the world for exports, or for companies making money overseas. The FTSE is on the whole fairly flat over 12 months.

Either our economy will suffer from no access to the free market, or we accept free movement of labour but and then vote was a complete waste of time as the main reason for the leave vote was immigration.

[layman]

Either our economy will suffer from no access to the free market, or we accept free movement of labour but and then vote was a complete waste of time as the main reason for the leave vote was immigration.

That doesnt really matter that much TBH. People voted for weird reasons and Boris will ignore them.

Strangely, Theresa May (the remain candidate) is far, far more anti migrant than Boris (the exit candidate).

Therefore a Boris win is 100% certain (IMO) to mean a push for free trade/movement as before. May is about 90% certain to.

No actual politicians with any power want to end these two things. It doesnt matter what the voters thought they were getting at the end of the day. They only have to forfil the "leave" bit. A norway deal forfills this technically while "honoring" the 48% - "after all, it was a close vote", the fudgers will say

[Cromwell]

This is quite frankly a joke. What do they hope they can achieve with this? If there is another leadership election, Corbyn will probably will by a bigger margin. Are they trying to run another leadership election? If they had the balls, they would lose thousands upon thousands of members.

The rules are unclear as to whether the incumbent leader is automatically on the election ballot which goes to the party members. If Corbyn is on the ballot, then you're probably right, but the plotters are hoping the NEC will rule that even the incumbent needs the support of fifteen percent of the PLP before he can be placed on the ballot (leading to suspicion that there are plotters within the NEC who are staying quiet).

If the plot succeeds, it might push Corbyn to split the party. Whilst he'd have no trouble bringing a lot of activists and members, and the odd backbencher, with him, if the trade unions stay loyal to the party, then he's fucked.

If, one the other hand, the plotters fail and end up having to split (or defect to the Liberal Democrats') they'll struggle to bring the activist base with them and, consequently, fail to be reelected. If, instead, they try to create "a party within a party", remaining with Labour but trying to put a competing opposition structure together (I think Bercow would consent, though I'm not sure), then they'll face serious attempts at deselection from their local parties.

[Potemkin]

It seems Italy has been hit worse than the UK so far. They are preparing another bank rescue package.

There are probably more than a few Italian bankers and politicians who are thinking unkind thoughts about the British right now.

The Italian economy is much more brittle than the British economy, which actually tends to be rather resilient. Britain will probably catch a cold over Brexit. But when Britain sneezes, Italy catches bubonic plague.

[skinster]

He just isnt a leader and isnt comfortable with the role. He would be much happier standing on a box and shouting about Israel/Palestine 24/7.

He is an activist. Nothing more. That is why I find him so annoying. He is supposed to have a job to do as the official opposition leader.

What nonsense.

Also, 11 things Labour leader has achieved since he came to power

I'm particularly impressed with number 11.

[Heisenberg]

The media's pathological obsession with Jeremy Corbyn is getting silly now. We have just voted to leave the EU. The prime minister has announced his resignation. The party in government is not in any hurry to select a new leader, and apparently has no idea what to do with itself. And people are concerned about Corbyn's "lack of leadership" because of a choreographed string of resignations by people who have hated Corbyn since the start? I'm at a loss for words.

[layman]

The British media have too much attention on internal politics for both parties.

When 11 front benchers quit and there is apparently evidence that they sabotaged the remain campaign, I think that is newsworthy.

[skinster]

People got together in Parliament Square today to show support for Corbyn.

Image from the rally:

[Far-Right Sage]

Disgraceful but inevitable. Corbyn was playing a double game from inside the "New Labour" party and its culmination was in the inside job he did of muting Labour support for the "Remain" camp during this Brexit showdown. The sad thing is that he shouldn't even have had to play this double game if he was its head. He dilly-dallied in cleaning out the trouble makers, exercising firm control and enforcing party unity and articulating a new vision for the new new Labour (old Labour?) for the post-Blair era of the 2010s. In other words, he thought the optics of him at the head were enough without truly reforming the party beneath him. Either he was dangerously optimistic or simply not up to the task.

The Blairites and Cameron's group of Tories should merge with the Liberal Democrats as another poster suggested and form one large party: "The Bleak Supreme Neoliberal Consensus Party". Then at least the battle lines will be clearly drawn.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

There are probably more than a few Italian bankers and politicians who are thinking unkind thoughts about the British right now.

The Italian economy is much more brittle than the British economy, which actually tends to be rather resilient. Britain will probably catch a cold over Brexit. But when Britain sneezes, Italy catches bubonic plague.

The eurozone is still pretty fragile. I might have underestimated this factor.

I do think that Britain has a good chance of weathering this storm, at least if the Tory remain side stops sulking and gets their act together.

Clearly nobody really believed that "leave" would win, and hence the anger and absolute disbelief. It's quite extraordinary.

This is quite frankly a joke. What do they hope they can achieve with this?

They are probably telling themselves that this is in the best interest of Britain, because Corbyn divides the Labour party and reduces their prospects in general elections, i.e. Britain needs a united, strong opposition party now more than ever.

[Typhoon]

PLP rebels been throwing everything they have in a 48 hour blitz and Corbyn's still standing. Those hoping for a quick victory seem to be in for disappointment, split seems to be getting mentioned more often.

As Labour’s parliamentarians filed out after the 75-minute meeting, many looked shell-shocked, some almost tearful. “Heartbreaking,” was how one former Shadow Cabinet minister described it. “If he carries on like this he’ll destroy the party and it’ll destroy the country.”

http://labourlist.org/2016/06/heated-pl ... corridors/

He dilly-dallied in cleaning out the trouble makers, exercising firm control and enforcing party unity and articulating a new vision for the new new Labour (old Labour?) for the post-Blair era of the 2010s. In other words, he thought the optics of him at the head were enough without truly reforming the party beneath him. Either he was dangerously optimistic or simply not up to the task.

Corbyn's rise was down to no small amount of good fortune followed by a successful (surprising) grassroots campaign. He has never had the respect or support of the MP's, its difficult to imagine him at any point walking in and cleaning out the trouble makers, exercising firm control or enforcing party unity. Had he taken a more aggressive line I feel he would have been quickly branded as heralding the return of the 80's and lost popular support.

Corbyn's approach has maintained his appeal, so the members that elected him are likely to protect him. That's where the battle for the party will be won, even so deselection will take a very long period of time. The rebels were always going to move at the earliest opportunity (unfortunately for the plotters he performed at the ballot), though the current timing may prove to be a misjudgement.

[demima]

People got together in Parliament Square today to show support for Corbyn.

Image from the rally:

I can just about make myself in the crowd

Dennis Skinner came and gave a speech and a number of union leaders - Aslef, Fire Brigades union etc.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... litz-afte/

The article below was written 10 days before the referendum. When Labour MPs come on TV to cry (Angela Eagle) or state on twitter that they resigned with a "heavy heart", its all a load of shit.

Labour rebels believe they can topple Jeremy Corbyn after the EU referendum in a 24-hour blitz by jumping on a media storm of his own making.

Moderate MPs who believe Mr Corbyn can never win back power think his failure to close down public rows which flare up and dominate the news channels leaves him vulnerable.

By fanning the flames with front bench resignations and public criticism they think the signatures needed to trigger a leadership race can be gathered within a day.

They see the tactic as a way of securing public support for the move while targeting what is perceived as one of the Labour leader’s major flaws – indecision.

It comes after Mr Corbyn failed to sack a Labour MP accused of anti-Semitism within 24 hours and was mocked for overseeing the “longest reshuffle in history” earlier this year.

After the referendum Labour splits will return to the fore as the Tories call a string of parliamentary voters on Trident renewal and banning councils holding Israeli boycotts to help rebuild party unity.

Fresh clashes over party reform and another shadow cabinet reshuffle given that prominent figures are running to become local mayors look set to dominate this summer.

There is no single plan for getting rid of Mr Corbyn and moderates are split on whether to launch a coup or bide their time until the party membership changes its mind.

While losing the EU referendum is seen as fatal by many to Mr Corbyn's leadership, continued speculation remains about a challenge if the referendum brings an In vote.

Rather than naming a date to make their move - as some had done with May's local elections - some rebels now believe taking advantage of an opportune row holds the beast chance of success.

“It is not going to be a date in the calendar, it will be on the back of a media firestorm. It could happen within 24 hours,” said one Labour MP.

Asked how the coup could take place, another said: “Things go wrong, people have had enough, you start to see resignations and it spirals from there."

A third Labour MP who served in the shadow cabinet said: “There is undoubtedly a frustration and a simmering anger. After the referendum there is going to be an immense number of lessons to learn and decisions to make.

“It is likely to be a pang of frustration that makes one colleague say ‘enough and enough’ and just resign. If one person did it and said to others ‘how about it’, things are desperate enough that it will

happen.”

Despite the private attacks, most Labour MPs are unsure about how –or if – Mr Corbyn can be toppled given his continued support among party members.

The Labour leader’s team are increasingly confident Mr Corbyn will not face a putsch in the near future and have reshuffled his senior aides as they look to make policy changes at party conference this autumn.

[Jake-UK]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458

Motion of no-confidence passes, but he still refuses to resign. Before the referendum, I thought that if a party was going to go into turmoil it would be the Conservatives, but somehow Labour seem to have took the spotlight - well done Labour

[noemon]

I am rallying behind Labour and will register with the party as soon as possible.

These traitors and pathetic human beings are trying to undermine Corbyn so hard that they are willing to destroy the Labour party irrepairably, they can only be rationalised as foreign agent provocateurs and neoliberals in disguise. They should be shamed forever, I am extremely pleased with Corbyn's steadfastness.

With the Tories moving into far-right libertarianism this country urgently needs a centre.

[Jake-UK]

It can be argued that this country needs a centre, but Corbyn doesn't offer that. I have to say that I wasn't expecting this reaction from Labour after the referendum, but it's apparent that a lot of Labour MPs have wanted him gone since the day he was elected. They are right in some respects though - the chances of Corbyn winning an election are slim.

[Potemkin]

It looks increasingly likely that the Labour Party will split into a Blairite faction and a socialist faction. I suppose this was an inevitable development once Blairism had lost its lustre and its electability. The whole point of Blair and his 'Third Way', after all, was to win elections. If it can no longer do even that, then what is the point of it? It's just a spectre at the feast, reminding the Labour Party of how it sold its birthright for a mess of pottage back in the 1990s. The Labour Party is trying to reclaim its soul, and I hope and pray that Corbyn and his supporters both in the Party and in the nation remain steadfast.

[Jake-UK]

I hope and pray that Corbyn and his supporters both in the Party and in the nation remain steadfast.

Do you actually think that Labour will win an election with Corbyn as leader?