[Rugoz]

You 're not saying anything.

I'm saying this agreement would not have been made if it weren't beneficial for the Swiss economy. Unless it was a misjudgement from people who know a lot more than you and me.

[JohnRawls]

Does anybody in Britain have any balls to step forward and to invoke article 50? Or the UK can just talk the talk?

It is obviously regretful that we need to seperate but so shall it be if people of Britain will it. They should also understand that the economical deal will not be the same as a single market. You will get tariffs... You will get second grade economical treatment if you don't want to contribute in the same way Switserland and Norway are contributing and still getting 2nd rate trade partner deals.
Otherwise there would be no point in the single market... Britain on the other hand doesn't want to even contribute.

I'm saying this agreement would not have been made if it weren't beneficial for the Swiss economy. Unless it was a misjudgement from people who know a lot more than you and me.

Yes it is beneficial to switserland because Switzerland is a tax haven. This deal gives Chinese capital unlimited flow to Switzerland without much oversight, they can care less about the Chinese goods that will come also. This method can not be emulated by the Uk simply because the UK is not a tax haven in general. Also it is not like China can realistically send those goods in bulk to Switserland because it is surrounded by the EU. Most of the goods get delivered either by Train or Ship which means it needs to pass the EU which means that Eu gets paid which means the deal serves some other ulterior motives.

[Albert]

What about Norway?

[Beren]

I've made a fortune out of Brexit.

So you've profited from your great skills already? Or just happened to be lucky?

[noemon]

Richard Branson: Virgin lost a third of its value, cancelled contract worth 3,000 jobs because of leave victory
The Virgin founder called for a strong politician to 'find a way out of it'

[JohnRawls]

What about Norway?

Has less trade then Switzerland. Has smaller population than Switzerland. Owns most of European Gas and Oil reserves and happily exports them to most of the western Europe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 009%29.pdf This is a tree map of Norways economy. It actually looks quite similar to Russias. Just Russia has over 100mil people while Norway has 5.

[Heisenberg]

Richard Branson: Virgin lost a third of its value, cancelled contract worth 3,000 jobs because of leave victory
The Virgin founder called for a strong politician to 'find a way out of it'

The threat of mass excommunication and eternity in Hell wasn't enough to stop Henry VIII's "leave" campaign in 1534, so what makes you think the prospect of Richard Branson losing a bit of money will shake freeborn English resolve today? Jean-Claude Juncker has rather a lot less clout than Pope Clement VII.

[JohnRawls]

By the way. If you think that expectations of an Brexit hit your economy hard just wait for the real thing:

Britain cannot expect to “keep the privileges” of ties with the EU without any of the obligations, Angela Merkel has said, as the EU Commission President Jean Claude Juncker said he had imposed a ban on EU officials from holding secret Brexit talks with the UK.

In a clear rebuttal to Boris Johnson’s claim that the country could retain access to single market – seen as vital to the economy and jobs market – the German Chancellor told her parliament that free access to the single market was only for countries that accepted the free movement of people, capital and goods.

Linkie: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 07071.html

Translation for people who don't understand: Either you are a part of the single market, follow the rules and obligations that this single market represents or you get second rate deals with tarriffs. Europe will not allow for a better deal when we have given Britain several better deals than anybody else within the EU. (Brexit scrubbed the latest one but after article 50 is invoked then all of them will be scrubbed in time).

[Beren]

The threat of mass excommunication and eternity in Hell wasn't enough to stop Henry VIII's "leave" campaign in 1534, so what makes you think the prospect of Richard Branson losing a bit of money will shake freeborn English resolve today? Jean-Claude Juncker has rather a lot less clout than Pope Clement VII.

I like this analogy, because it shows Britain's history is a parabola between 1534 and 2016.

[Heisenberg]

Touche, Beren.

However, I put it to you that the last "Brexit" was the touchstone that eventually to Britain conquering a fifth of the world's habitable land and a quarter of its population. And, indeed, the King James Bible, Charles Dickens, the Victoria Sponge, Assam tea and the game of cricket. And now, we have once again freed ourselves again from Continental tyranny. Underestimate us at your peril. Sure, the Scots might run back to the Auld Alliance with the French - but they've been dying to do that for ages. We've crushed them before, and we can crush them again. (Admittedly, we don't have many Whigs around these days to help us out, but c'est la vie).

[Kaiserschmarrn]

Does anybody in Britain have any balls to step forward and to invoke article 50? Or the UK can just talk the talk?

I forgot to add goading to chest-thumping. Isn't this a bit silly?

Invoking article 50 would trigger the 2 year time limit. It would take any influence in the timing out of the UK's hands.

It is obviously regretful that we need to seperate but so shall it be if people of Britain will it. They should also understand that the economical deal will not be the same as a single market. You will get tariffs... You will get second grade economical treatment if you don't want to contribute in the same way Switserland and Norway are contributing and still getting 2nd rate trade partner deals.
Otherwise there would be no point in the single market... Britain on the other hand doesn't want to even contribute.

Yes, it will hit the British economy. That should be self-evident. To what extent? I think we'll have to wait for the negotiations to assess that.

As expected, a lot of strong statements are made right now. Let's wait for the actual actions.

Yes it is beneficial to switserland because Switzerland is a tax haven. This deal gives Chinese capital unlimited flow to Switzerland without much oversight, they can care less about the Chinese goods that will come also. This method can not be emulated by the Uk simply because the UK is not a tax haven in general.

NZ was the first developed country to sign an FTA with China, but then we are the "Switzerland of the South Pacific".

The real question that you would have to ask is whether a UK-China trade deal would actually be worse for Britain than an EU-China trade deal would be for Estonia. Note that with Britain out of the EU, the union's liberal and free trade camp is much weakened. There is a divide in the EU along the export-oriented surplus countries in the north and the more protectionist deficit countries in the south, and Britain was generally aligned with the northern part. It's one reason why Germany would have loved to keep Britain in the EU, despite its "cherry picking" and all the other stuff people like to complain about in relation to the UK.

At any rate, the climate in the EU with respect to a deal with China is not really positive anyway, so we might not find out for a long time.

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So you've profited from your great skills already? Or just happened to be lucky?

I just read all the "insider tips" from the experts and then hit buy or sell buttons. No luck, all skill.

[Igor Antunov]

AWKWARD! She's quite the cheeky rebel she is.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon made a dash to Brussels on Wednesday to tell the EU that Scots were intent on staying in the bloc, hours after David Cameron told a summit that Britain was pulling out.

"This is very much an initial meeting, a series of meetings in Brussels today, so that people understand that Scotland, unlike other parts, of the United Kingdom does not want to leave the European Union," Sturgeon told reporters after meeting European Parliament President Martin Schulz.

"I don't want to underestimate the challenges that lie ahead."

Schulz said he had "listened and learned".

Later in the day, the pro-independence Scottish leader will meet the head of the EU executive, European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker, and may try to probe the -- hitherto flimsy -- options a breakaway Scotland might have to somehow remain in the European Union once the United Kingdom completes its Brexit.

Juncker's decision to roll out the red carpet for her on the day the 27 other EU leaders held their first meeting without Britain was seen by some diplomats as an attempt to pressure London to hand in its formal notice to quit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brita ... ZF0LM?il=0

[layman]

Snap poll from the daily record showed a suprisingly small shift in support http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... XelCGdM.97

She wants it to be at least 60% it is widely believed. She knows she only has one last chance.

So she needs three things that seem quite unlikely for now IMO.

1 - for the UK to actually leave properly
2 - the EU to agree to a seemless remain
3 - for polls to show a minimum of 60% in favour of it

[Beren]

:lol: Touche, Beren.

However, I put it to you that the last "Brexit" was the touchstone that eventually to Britain conquering a fifth of the world's habitable land and a quarter of its population. And, indeed, the King James Bible, Charles Dickens, the Victoria Sponge, Assam tea and the game of cricket. And now, we have once again freed ourselves again from Continental tyranny. Underestimate us at your peril. Sure, the Scots might run back to the Auld Alliance with the French - but they've been dying to do that for ages. We've crushed them before, and we can crush them again. (Admittedly, we don't have many Whigs around these days to help us out, but c'est la vie).

The "model" says Britain was at its highest in 1775 (midway between 1534 and 2016), one year before the 13 colonies declared their independence.

[Heisenberg]

[Beren]

:lol:

It's a nice curve, isn't it?

However, don't you think the two events mark and frame a historic era? Also, just because you Brits firmly believe seceding from Europe always must be a good thing and followed by success and prosperity, history might prove you wrong.

[Heisenberg]

History might prove us wrong, or it might not. I couldn't possibly say what the long term effects of the vote will be. I'm still not at all sure we'll even leave the EU. We certainly aren't going to become a far-right isolationist dictatorship overnight, as the "remain" camp would like us to believe.

[Rugoz]

Yes it is beneficial to switserland because Switzerland is a tax haven. This deal gives Chinese capital unlimited flow to Switzerland without much oversight, they can care less about the Chinese goods that will come also.

That makes no sense.

[Beren]

History might prove us wrong, or it might not. I couldn't possibly say what the long term effects of the vote will be. I'm still not at all sure we'll even leave the EU. We certainly aren't going to become a far-right isolationist dictatorship overnight, as the "remain" camp would like us to believe.

You've screwed yourselves for each term. On the short term your political system's in turmoil and your economy faces heavy losses, on the long term even the UK might fall apart and the rest might face isolation. The EU was a safety net preventing the UK from plunging into the ground, now it's free falling.

[peter767i]

Happy? How does it make you happy?