[anasawad]

In recent couple of years, the almost the entire world's concern is ISIS.
Its the talk of every news channel, politician and even normal people.
Now they're bad alright, but lets stop there and look at the facts.

ISIS is too extreme, and only able to recruit people due to the fact that it recruits in light of war.
Meaning they don't recruit ideologically, for most part atleast.

ISIS killed lots of people, true, but atleast they're killing them not keeping them alive.
I mean seriously, if you had to choose between being killed or being kept alive and tortured and abuse on daily basis.
Wouldn't you choose the mercy of death ?

ISIS actions as smart as some might consider, but infact is stupid and got everyone to fight them.

If we want to compare ISIS to the rest of the active nations of the world.
ISIS is far less of a problem.
Whether it was the US, Israel, Russia, China, Britain, France, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Hezbollah, even the tribes of Lebanon and Iran are way way worse than ISIS.

The US is actively killing people all around the world, and has imprisoned and tortured innocents far more than ISIS can ever do.
Israel is keeping millions under occupation and suffering.
Russia and China have a long history of massacres and a fashion for making people disappear.
Iran arranged for massacres and maybe even genocide in Iraq for the sake of revenge less than a decade ago.
Saudi Arabia is..... Well, words cant tell it.
Hezbollah is practically keeping 10s of thousands of people as hostages or human shields.
And even if we were to address the far less active tribes of Lebanon and Iran. Do you even know how horrible your fate would be if you were taken a prisoner by one. Or the violence of tribal politics ?


ISIS as bad it is, is actually far less threatening, violent, dangerous than any of those.
And infact its kind of look like soft in comparison.
And its destined to be doomed within no time, while all the others are growing and expanding.

[Pongo]

Just to add that in the current Arab world both sides of the Sunni Shia divid fight "terrorism". For Sunnis the Iranians and their Lebanese proxy Hizbollah are the "terrorists" and ISIS are the last guard of the Sunni world albeit wild and extreme, for the Shia world it is the opposite. They promise to fight ISIS terrorists knowing how gullible are the Westerners. Here we have "moderate " Muslims who actually fight "terrorism" along the west (the great Satan according to Iranian Mullahs), while in reality they fight sectarian war really. And indeed ISIS promised to enter Lebanon and finish off the Shia infidels there. The Hizbollah invented the suicide bombing in the 80's, though back then, the Arab world and its Western champion, France, refused to add them on their terrorist list, now the Sunni world finally declares Hezbollah "terrorist" organization, while on their part, the Iranians declared the Sunni jihadists as "terrorists".

The Western world doesn't understand this World War, the whole Islamic world are killing one another. The worst is the Islamist crypto, Barak Obama who helped to bring down the Sunni world. The Sunni world fights for its life and they will not let down the weapon of ISIS "terrorism". They see the Iranian Shia axis on rampage everywhere, above all on Saudi backyard: Iraq (PM is Shia), Lebanon, Yemen (the Huttii tribes are Shia), Bahrain (the insurgence is Shia). Right now they even support Israel's "oppression" of the Palestinians because they see them as bunch of jihadists, worst of all, Hamas are paid by the Iranians Shia though they are Sunni brethren. "Traitors".

Obama's deal with Iran made him hated figure in the Arab world which is mainly Sunni. Into this vacuum ISIS was created. They are no more terrorists than other Muslim and Arab organizations.

Few months ago, "U.S. cautiously optimistic about Saudi coalition to fight terror", back then Saudi Arabia announces "Muslim alliance to fight Islamic terrorism" but they meant something else. Not ISiS but Shia "terrorism".



http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/03/g ... 12744.html

GCC declares Lebanon's Hezbollah a 'terrorist' group
Gulf countries announce the decision amid an ongoing row with the Lebanese group over involvement in regional conflicts.
02 Mar 2016 12:10 GMT |


Member states of the Gulf Cooperation Council, known as the GCC, have classified Lebanese movement Hezbollah as a "terrorist" organisation, citing "hostile actions" by the armed group.

GCC Secretary General Abdullatif al-Zayani said on Wednesday that the six Gulf monarchies undertook the move because "the [Hezbollah] militia recruited young people [from the Gulf] for terrorist acts".

Hezbollah, a Shia political organisation with an armed wing, fights in neighbouring Syria to support the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

The Sunni-dominated GCC comprises Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

Gulf nations have taken a series of measures against Hezbollah since Saudi Arabia last month halted a $4bn programme funding French military supplies to Beirut.

Hezbollah is backed by Saudi Arabia's regional rival Iran, with whom relations have worsened this year. The two nations are on opposing sides in conflicts in Syria and Yemen.


Announcing the military funding cut last month, a Saudi official said that the kingdom had noticed "hostile Lebanese positions resulting from the stranglehold of Hezbollah on the state".

Riyadh would be conducting "a comprehensive review of its relations with the Lebanese republic", the unnamed official said.
He specifically cited Lebanon's refusal to join the Arab League and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation in condemning attacks on Saudi diplomatic missions in Iran in January.

Riyadh cut diplomatic ties with Tehran after demonstrators set fire to its embassy and a consulate following the Saudi execution of a prominent Shia cleric.

Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah lashed out at Saudi Arabia during a televised speech on Tuesday.


"The kingdom is trying to put pressure on the Lebanese to try to silent us but we will not be silent on the crimes the Saudis are committing in Yemen and elsewhere," Nasrallah said.

"Does Saudi Arabia have the right to punish Lebanon, its state and its army because a certain party has decided to raise its voice?" he asked.

"If they have a problem with us, let them keep it with us, and let them spare Lebanon and the Lebanese," Nasrallah added.

Last month, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Bahrain also called on their citizens to leave Lebanon or to avoid travelling there.

Source: Al Jazeera and agencies

[Bosnjak]

ISIS cuts a head, and it is in the Headlines of Western Media

Assad flatens a hole City inclusive hospitals, a small news.



The reason they produce snuff-videos is they knew the Western Pussy Media will bring it on the cover, so they have world wide PR for free to recruit new fighters

[Zionist Nationalist]

ISIS are good they are doing the dirty job for Israel Saudi Arabia Qatar and Turkey

Syrian civil war is the best thing that happened for Israel since the six days war

[redcarpet]

ISIS are good they are doing the dirty job for Israel Saudi Arabia Qatar and Turkey

Syrian civil war is the best thing that happened for Israel since the six days war

As it were, despite Israel being the official 'enemy' of the Arab states, in a way, the huge loss in 1967 deprived the Arab dictators of an enemy. In the sense of one they can fight.

One now has arisen that they can fight. That is inferior in military strength. Yes, victory is difficult against gurilla forces, but the possibility of defeating it is there, unlike the 'regional enemy' of Israel. Also, as usual, can be used as an excuse for tighter domestic oppression.

[layman]

The US is actively killing people all around the world, and has imprisoned and tortured innocents far more than ISIS can ever do.
Israel is keeping millions under occupation and suffering.
Russia and China have a long history of massacres and a fashion for making people disappear.
Iran arranged for massacres and maybe even genocide in Iraq for the sake of revenge less than a decade ago.
Saudi Arabia is..... Well, words cant tell it.
Hezbollah is practically keeping 10s of thousands of people as hostages or human shields.
And even if we were to address the far less active tribes of Lebanon and Iran. Do you even know how horrible your fate would be if you were taken a prisoner by one. Or the violence of tribal politics ?

ISIS would do far more if they were able to. The important point is what they do in the small territory they have influence over.

In a similar sense, many rulers would have had a higher kill count than hitler had they had access to his uber-german-mechanical-killing-machine. After all, hitler was quite specific on the minorities he wanted to butcher. Ghengis khan was an equal opportunities butcher who would quite happily wipe out entire cities or nations to make a point.

[unbalanced zealot]

Ghengis khan was an equal opportunities butcher who would quite happily wipe out entire cities or nations to make a point.

GK, Ogedei, etc were also prepared to assimilate in those who chose not to resist. In both the eastern and western conquests this assimilation went both ways. Yuan Dynasty China was one great compromise. Hitler developed a lot of his blitzkrieg tactics from the Mongol MO but as reflected by their eventual outcomes (a loss after a few years compared to 150+ year empire) the Third Reich and the Mongol Empire had little in common in the end.

ISIS were trying to convince people they were going to replicate the expansion of the early Caliphate under the 'Rightly Guided' Caliphs. But because they consist of mainly ex-Iraqi Ba'athist losers and a collection of pseudo-Islamic gangster scumbags they're not even going to last as long as the Third Reich did. So they are pretty soft.

When they were in the ascendancy they drew in a lot of scumbags and zealots, but now they are weakening no doubt a lot of internal foes will come out of the woodwork to add to their woes. The key during their demise will be to not let any core members off the hook and allow them to slink back out to some safe haven somewhere.

[abu_rashid]

The important point is what they do in the small territory they have influence over.

"Small territory" that just happens to be larger than half the nations of the world?

[layman]

Hey abu,

How are you enjoying watching your favourite rape gang get fucked ?

[abu_rashid]

I know you may be under some delusion I have some stake in their progress, but it's simply not the case.

As I've clearly stated from start to finish, they are not my ideological horse in this race.

[Bosnjak]

Even if ISIS would have the Arms of the Turkish army, 2. largest of the NATO, they could be maximum a threat, a manageble threat for Iran.

1. they have no supply
2. no production facilities
3. They never managed to take a region where Shias, Kurds, Alewits are in majority, never, because when people fear to get killed or worser enslaved, even women and children are ready to fight until the last drop of blood
4. They want to topple any state in the Region ergo to hole region sees them as threat.

[Rich]

ISIS are the genuine real deal. They are no compromise religious nut jobs. Most religious people manage to keep a small compartment of their mind where they know its bollocks, which sort of keeps them in check from completely suicidal madness.

Not ISIS. The filth that pass for leaders in the West desperately wanted to work with ISIS, it was ISIS that forced them to attack them. Jewish supremacists might have massive influence over American foreign policy, but when aid workers and journalists are being beheaded and the videos going up on UTube the American President has to be seen to do something however inconvenient that is for the advancement of Israeli interests.

OK there is one alternative conspiracy that I will consider. That this is "for a few dollars more". Al Qaeda and Nusra are playing Clint, ISIS are playing Lee Van Cleef: One one on the inside, one on the outside.

[Atlantis]

ISIS killed lots of people, true, but atleast they're killing them not keeping them alive.

Your humanity is terrific /i

ISIS would do far more if they were able to. The important point is what they do in the small territory they have influence over.

Not only is the territory they control insignificant (deserts don't count), but their ability in nation-building is zero. They can plunder but they cannot create prosperity or the infrastructure necessary to every state.

They are a bunch of retards who go on looting until there is nothing left to loot.

In a similar sense, many rulers would have had a higher kill count than hitler had they had access to his uber-german-mechanical-killing-machine.

Give IS, Idi Amin or Pol Pot the industrial, technical and scientific means at the disposal of the Nazis and they could have done a lot better. All space and missile programs (US, UK, Russia, France, China, Japan, India) are directly or indirectly based on Nazi technology.

GK, Ogedei, etc were also prepared to assimilate in those who chose not to resist. In both the eastern and western conquests this assimilation went both ways. Yuan Dynasty China was one great compromise.

The Mongols were assimilated into Chinese culture, not the other way around.

[anasawad]

@Atlantis
Killing is wrong and its always unfortunate.
However if we are to see the brutality of the world at this age.
There are worse crimes.
If you were to test how it is in Guantanamo bay, Iranian graveyard prisons, Hezbollah torturers, heck even Syrian regime torture prisoners.
You'd be praying to god that ISIS comes along and end your suffery. Regardless of the method.

What i mean by this thread, is that as bad as ISIS is, there are far far worse in the world. And if someone was to choose, death by ISIS is lot more merciful than being captive by others.
True we should end all of it, but people seem to be distracted by minor actors like ISIS and forget how horrifying those who created ISIS, and in general those at a greater power and brutality in the world.

[Bosnjak]

In a similar sense, many rulers would have had a higher kill count than hitler had they had access to his uber-german-mechanical-killing-machine.

Hitler was able to cooperate as National-Socialist with the Fascist Italy, and the clerical fascists in Spain...

ISIS sent a suicide Bomber as the Rebels who wanted with ISIS to negotiate about peace , to fight Assad.

[Atlantis]

Killing is wrong and its always unfortunate.
However if we are to see the brutality of the world at this age.

Life is infinitely precious and rare and enlightenment can be reached on the torture rack like in every other place.

To throw away that opportunity is tantamount to eternal damnation. And I mean that literally even though I don't believe in Christian concepts of hell.

Those bored and pampered kids that throw away their life or dope their brain with drugs are very unfortunate creatures. But as long as they are alive, there is the possibility that they'll come to see the light one day.

True we should end all of it, but people seem to be distracted by minor actors like ISIS and forget how horrifying those who created ISIS, and in general those at a greater power and brutality in the world.

As much as I oppose the empire and it's methods, at least it does provide stability and prosperity for a large number of people. Daesh can only do gratuitous violence.

They will suffer in the lowest hell for all eternity for misleading innocent youth. They are the very lowest creatures of anything resembling human form.

You are wrong to belittle the infinite stupidity of these creatures.

[anasawad]

@Atlantis
I disagree. As destructive ISIS is, its barbaric and its making lots of enemies. ISIS is the obvious evil that everyone can see and fight.
The worse evil is that the hides in plain sight unseen and can fool the people to follow it thinking its the good and the better.

You say empires can bring stability to large number of people. True, but it also damages and makes much much more suffer so its ,smaller in comparison number, people can live better and in stability.

[Rich]

Those bored and pampered kids that throw away their life or dope their brain with drugs are very unfortunate creatures.

Hey cool it with the Prussian mind control Daddio.

Turn on,
tune in and
drop out!

Actually I was just listening to Soft machine Seven, you're not telling me that drugs no played no part in the incarnation of that album.

[Atlantis]

Hey cool it with the Prussian mind control Daddio.

Have you gone Dada now Rich?

You are always the the man for the extreme. I wonder why that is. People like you don't grow old. Keep care.

[Potemkin]

Have you gone Dada now Rich?

Legend has it that when Lenin was in exile in Zurich before the October Revolution, he met the Dadaist Tristan Tzara. After a long discussion about Dadaism and its cultural and political significance, Lenin is reputed to have told Tzara, "Yes, one must be radical. One must be as radical as reality itself." Daddi-o.