[killim]

Oh, German equivalent SWAT or OMON. Well that is standard procedure. It has nothing to do with systemic budget cuts.

More like your HRT only with vastly more experience against terrorists. They are not special forces though due to being part of the police force. They frequently train with the SAS or Delta Force though for their civilian roles. Far more interesting they brought in 43 EKO-COBRA members, which gives me the creeps if you think what might have happened one they would have been forced to use (lethal) force. I know they train the cross-border activities frequently but do they have a legal basis?

Despite the recent "anecdotal" Muslim outbreak, there would not be any policy change in Germany. The leaders there probably believe Germany will have to live with sporadic shooting sprees like America does and the Muslims newcomers are indispensable to German future and its economy strength. Probably they don't care about the destabilization they cause to entire Europe. Why should they? This is the same elite that destroyed Europe with its New Order scheme and forced labor. What makes the case interesting is the share interests of the indistralists and the so called Antifa, which originally were anti capitalists.

As far as we know, there is no Muslim incitement against Germany. What made these two teenagers to radicalize is probably personal issue. The last one says he was harassed and he was in treatment. There is also sort of culture shock, the Muslims brought up to adore Germany (its efficiency, its fascist history and killing machine) but in reality they are widely despised despite their "anti imperialist" credentials. "Kanacke" is a very derrogatory word for a non-German, basically like the "N"-word.

You are aware of the fact that this guy was not even remotely radicalized, was born and raised in Germany and had plenty of mental problems? He even underwent therapy, which speaks volumes about the problems since he is only 18 years old. We call this extended suicide. I am not familiar if there is an English word for that.

[The Sabbaticus]

Suicide by cop.

And higher percentages of schizophrenia and mental illness amongst second and third generation immigrants is a known epidemiological phenomenon. Once again it comes down to bankrupt immigration and integration policies.

[Frollein]

Munich police investigator Robert Heimberger told the conference it appears reports of a fake Facebook account being set up are correct, AP reports.

It appears the shooter hacked a Facebook account and sent a message urging people to come to the mall for a free giveaway at McDonalds.

The posting, sent from a young woman’s account, urged people to come to the mall at 4 p.m., saying: “I’ll give you something if you want, but not too expensive.”

Heimberger says: “It appears it was prepared by the suspect and then sent out.”

The woman shortly after reported that her account had been hacked.

[Atlantis]

The shooter is Iranian. he is not European.

Iranians are Aryans.

Can't you even get your own White Supremacist ideology straight?

[Frollein]

Why do you assume that ZN differentiates along ethnic lines? As Iranian, he's very likely Muslim, which isn't a race, last I heard.

[killim]

No, suicide by cop is something different. I think I remember something like murder suicide. The main thing behind it is that you want to go down with a big bang and hence take a lot of people with you. Thats why we call it extended suicide, you take poeple with you.

I am not aware of a higher rate of schizophrenia within immigrants with muslim background. To be frank I would even expect a lower rate due to the fact that 50% of all psychosis are drug induced and the drug abuse is far lower in that part of the population. Usually the rate is higher (twice as high) if you have the classic afro-caribbean immigrant due to the drug abuse.

He underwent therapy btw. because of depressions.

[night games]

Iranians are Aryans.

Can't you even get your own White Supremacist ideology straight?

The pro Farsi propaganda in Germany has its roots during early years of Nazi regime.

Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

Historically, Iran has been referred to as Persia by the West, due mainly to the writings of Greek historians who called Iran Persis (Greek: Περσίς),[38] meaning "land of the Persians". As the most extensive interactions the Ancient Greeks had with any outsider was with the Persians, the term persisted, even long after the Persian rule in Greece. However, Persis (Old Persian: Pārśa; Modern Persian: Pārse) was originally referred to a region settled by Persians in the west shore of Lake Urmia, in the 9th century BC. The settlement was then shifted to the southern end of the Zagros Mountains, and is today defined as Fars Province.

In 1935, Reza Shah requested the international community to refer to the country by its native name, Iran. As the New York Times explained at the time, "At the suggestion of the Persian Legation in Berlin, the Tehran government, on the Persian New Year, Nowruz, March 21, 1935, substituted Iran for Persia as the official name of the country." Opposition to the name change led to the reversal of the decision, and Professor Ehsan Yarshater, editor of Encyclopædia Iranica, propagated a move to use Persia and Iran interchangeably.[39] Today, both Persia and Iran are used in cultural contexts; although, Iran is the name used officially in political contexts.[40]

[Glen]

Police said the weapon was a Glock 17 handgun which had had its serial number illegally filed off and there were indications the gunman had been in psychiatric care and treated for depression.

Links between antidepressants and aggression are inconclusive but cannot be discounted.

.. results showed that children taking antidepressants had a higher chance of suicidal thoughts or suicide attempts, and of aggression

[anasawad]

@night games
Persia is the latin name, Iran or Arya is the native name that has been for several thousands of years and refered to by some Greeks as well.
Arya means the land of Aryans.
Persians or Iranians come originally from 2 tribes who started immegrating into central Asia on several stages between 4-6 thousand years ago from southern and western Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Iran

Thats why dear Hitler said western Aryans not just Aryans. Because eastern Aryans are Persians.

[night games]

The sharing cement was Fascism. The Muslims and Germans respect each other from the same reason.

[anasawad]

First, Muslims happen to be much bigger than Persians or generally the Aryan race.
So no connection between religious and racial catagories.
Second, Most Muslims were actually hostile to the NAZIs.
Third, Muslim nations were more leaning towards communism.
And forth, the respect for Germans by many Muslims started becoming to be after Israel was formed by occupying and expelling Muslims from their lands.

Atleast try to make your analysis a little smart or knowledgable of history.

[noemon]

The German-Ottoman agreements happened out of historical happenstance, the Muslim world was largely dominated by Britain & France so the Germans had either little or anti-British(imperial) influence in the Muslim countries.

[anasawad]

Also true. ^

[night games]

And forth, the respect for Germans by many Muslims started becoming to be after Israel was formed by occupying and expelling Muslims from their lands.

Professor Matthias Küntzel says the opposite:


"Indeed, in 1946, even Ali Mahir, former Prime Minister of Egypt, thought that “Arab opposition to Zionism was the product of both Nazi propaganda in the Arab East and Britain’s confusing politics.”

(Jihad and Jew-Hatred: Islamism, Nazism, and the Roots of 9/11, by Matthias Küntzel, trans. Colin Meade, Telos Press, 2007, 180 pp.)

[Atlantis]

The Muslims and Germans respect each other from the same reason.

If they do respect each other, which is up to debate, the reason is that they know nothing about each other.

But to start without prejudices can sometimes be of advantage.

[night games]

No, they know enough. The Muslims adore its Fascist history, the Germans adore their "anti imperialist" ideology. Basically it's the same, as the Nazis used the language of anti-imperialism in order to facilitate their own plans for military expansion, occupation, and imperialism.'
Hitler declared that the "Arab freedom movement [Freiheitsbewegung] in the Middle East is our natural ally against England."

[Potemkin]

No, they know enough. The Muslims adore its Fascist history, the Germans adore their "anti imperialist" ideology. Basically it's the same.

And the irony is that the hatred of British, French and American imperialism which guys like Atlantis feel is actually one of the few things they have in common with the Nazis.

[night games]

And the irony is that the hatred of British, French and American imperialism which guys like Atlantis feel is actually one of the few things they have in common with the Nazis.

Indeed. The 68ers got this from the Nazis. The Nazis brought up by powerful "anti capitalist" student movement. There is no much difference between the two movements in 68' and 33. Nazi Germany presented itself both as an ally of Arab anti-imperialism and as a soul mate of the religion of Islam as it understood it. The 68ers had a new twist to the same theme.

[night games]

Many of his victims had immigrant background

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... isis-links

Munich shooting: teenage gunman lured victims on Facebook with 'free McDonald's food'



The scene outside the McDonald’s in Munich where the gunman opened fire shortly before 6pm local time.
The lone teenager who shot dead nine people and injured 27 others in Munich had researched school killing sprees and attempted to lure victims to the scene of his rampage with an offer of free food on social media, officials have said.

Police said the 18-year-old gunman, who opened fire at a crowded shopping centre and McDonald’s restaurant on Friday evening, had been raised in Munich and was still in full-time education.
They added that he had likely been in psychiatric care and there were indicators he had been treated for depression.

Robert Heimberger, a police investigator, said on Saturday it appeared the gunman had hacked a Facebook account and lured people to the shopping centre with an offer of free food.

The post, sent from a young woman’s account, urged people to come to McDonald’s at 4pm, saying: “I’ll give you something if you want, but not too expensive.”

“It appears it was prepared by the suspect and then sent out,” Heimberger said.

The gunman, who has been identified as Ali Sonboly, is said to have researched mass-casualty attacks and had an obsession with shooting sprees, including the 2011 massacre in Norway carried out bythe rightwing fanatic Anders Behring Breivik.

Classmates of Sonboly told the Guardian he had been bullied at school, while neighbours described him as shy and lazy. “At school, Ali was often bullied by others and really unpopular,” one classmate said. “He was a bit chubby, and he was either by himself or together with one or two people, but he seemed to have hardly any friends.



Witness footage shows moment gunman opens fire in Munich
“Yesterday at noon, I came home and I saw Ali here in the entrance of our building, he was still delivering newspapers the day of the shooting. It was strange though because he usually at least says hi to me because I do know him, but when I greeted him, he didn’t say a word to me and seemed strange and withdrawn.”

Officers remained at the scene on Saturday morning collecting evidence and others were seen searching an apartment in the city’s Marxvorstadt district believed to be owned by the gunman’s parents.
Officials said the searches had revealed no links to Islamic State, and suggested the attack was unlikely to have been motivated by Islamist extremism. They said they had found newspaper clippings and books related to killing sprees, one of which was believed to be a textbook called Why Kids Kill: Inside the Minds of School Shooters.

Police spokesman Peter Beck said officials “don’t yet know what triggered the crime” but that there was no clear political motivation.

Overview of shooting locations around Munich shopping mall
Stephan Baumanns, owner of the Treemans bakery and coffee shop below Sonboly’s apartment, said: “I saw [Sonboly] every once in a while pass by, he was a very shy guy and tall, about 6ft 2in (1.88m). He wasn’t very sporty, rather a little chubby.

“He seemed like a lazy guy. He had a job distributing a free newspaper, Münchener Wochenblatt, but I often saw him rather than deliver them, throw them all away into the garbage bin.”

Police also confirmed the victims killed in the massacre included two 13-year-olds. They said they had not yet established whether young people had been deliberately targeted.
Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae said the attack “makes us speechless and our thoughts go out in particular to the victims.

Munich locator
“As a result of the manhunt with a large-scale operation force we have found a male person, who given the current level of intelligence committed suicide. On the basis of witness reports and on the basis of CCTV footage we assume that this person is the suspect.

“We currently have no indications that there were further perpetrators involved. The suspect is, according to the current level of intelligence, an 18-year-old Iranian from Munich.”

The gunman was carrying a 9mm Glock handgun, and a red rucksack containing 300 rounds of ammunition, police said.

A satellite view of the Olympia shopping centre and nearby U-bahn station.
A satellite view of the Olympia shopping centre and nearby U-bahn station. Photograph: Google Maps
Police have appealed to witnesses who filmed the attack to pass the footage to them. Unverified clips posted on social media appeared to show a man shouting slogans; another appeared to show people running for their lives as a man opened fire on pedestrians.

Police first received reports of a shots being fired near the Olympia shopping centre at around 5.50pm local time on Friday. The attacker opened fire in the McDonald’s on Hanauer Street with the handgun.
From there the suspect moved into the shopping centre, police said. Armed units flooded the area, with officers in plain clothes seen running through the shopping centre in search of the gunman. More than 800 officers remain engaged in the investigation, police said.

The gunman’s body was found in a side street close to the shopping centre at around 9.30pm local time. Police said they believed the teenager had killed himself, although Andrae said a postmortem examination was needed to see if he died as a result of officers’ gunfire.

A girl lays flowers and candles outside the Olympia shopping centre on Saturday morning.
A girl lays flowers and candles outside the Olympia shopping centre on Saturday morning. Photograph: Alexander Koerner/Getty Images
Officers recovered weapons with “relatively large” magazines at the scene, contrary to earlier suggestions that long-barrelled guns were used. Andrae also dismissed earlier fears that there were up to three gunmen involved in the attack triggered by two bystanders fleeing in a car at “considerable speed”.

There were reports of people barricading themselves in stores in the shopping centre as the attack unfolded and Munich was put into lockdown. People on the streets were urged to run and find refuge, public transport was shut down and motorists were told to clear the city’s roads and motorways to give clear passage for the emergency services.
Locals offered their homes as safe havens using the hashtag #OffeneTur (open door) and invited people left stranded by the emergency response to stay.

Around 2,300 police officers were deployed on the city’s streets and specialist counter-terror units were flown in. Police forces in neighbouring Austria and Switzerland also sent officers to assist.

Angela Merkel was due to meet her chief of staff, interior minister, and a host of intelligence officials on Saturday morning to review the incident, which comes in the wake of the Bastille Day truck atrocity in Nice and an axe attack in Bavaria.

Bavaria’s state premier, Horst Seehofer, was visibly emotional as he said it was the second time in six days that he has had to give a statement about a terror attack. He thanked the world for their messages of sympathy and insisted: “We have to continue to live our lives and our values.”

Additional reporting by agencies

[Donna]

Do you even live in Europe? These foreigners are our friends, co-workers etc.

This is purely sentimental. The reality is that Muslims and Islam more generally will never be fully assimilated into European civilization.

Again, do you even live in Europe? Muslims have been the target of hate-crimes and discrimination for years, at least where I live.

I highly doubt it is as frequent as Muslims target religious minorities in Muslim-majority societies.

Yeaaa... fascists are well-known for their love of democracy and their pacifism. Give me a break! Hundreds of refugee housing facilities have been burned down and hate-crimes against Muslims have risen. Not to mention the numerous terrorist attacks committed by fascists in Europe in modern history, Bosphorus, Cologne bombing, Bologna bombing, Paris, Cannes and Nice bombings, CasaPound, Breivik, Copeland, the murder of Jo Cox and many more.

As Samuel Huffington wrote, Islam has bloody borders.

There is something democratic about having the right to be politically active and, among other things, advocate for refugee rights, without being killed by an insane fascist. Are you seriously claiming otherwise?

I am claiming that there is nothing democratic about the massive influx of migrants into Europe. When did anyone fucking vote for this? Where was the fucking plebiscite?

So was Breivik. Of course, when Christians do terrorism it has nothing to do with Christianity, all Christians are not to blame and church-goers are not subject to surveillance. Funny how you have different standards when it comes to Islam, right?

Absolutely. My faith wasn't founded by a marauding caravan raider.

As a religious person, if you genuinely are that, don't you value your right to practice your religion freely? And don't you think it's unfair for you to be associated with the 'worst' Christians out there? Or do you think it's fair for people to think you are part of a 'death-cult'?

Anders Breivik was a neopagan (specifically an Odinist). He identified as a "cultural Christian," which is theologically meaningless.

Do you seriously think Europe will become 'Muslim-free', or whatever it is you want, at the voting booth alone? If you believe that you are very naive.

Of course. You can't seriously suggest that this is impossible, can you?