- 26 Jul 2016 10:37
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Samaras and Tsipras represented democratic Greece in its entirety. Their actions are accepted by the Greek executive and Greek judiciary. The manner in which any leader is removed is a reflection of the robustness, transparency and lawfulness of the country as a whole. For example, the USA retained its credibility by impeaching Nixon.
We know the EU operates on backroom deals, and backroom deals are a source of distrust. I'm not suggesting that backroom deals cannot have a good intention, but I am suggesting that encouraging secrecy protects corruption.
Of course not, the scandal happened, and the state was obliged to enforce its rule of law without being prompted by an international organisation such as the EU.
Your OP focusses on the size of one scandal, and my immediate response was to highlight that it is one example in a catalogue of recent Greek scandals.
The fact remains that Greece entertains dirty deals, and nobody knows what backroom deals were struck in negotiating these new projects. They might be clean deals, but any of them could be harbouring another scandal.
noemon wrote:I am saying that Samaras was wrangled by the Germans to drop the charges against German companies and Samaras is being paraded by the Germans as the success that was Greece before Tsipras came along and ruined the party. During Samaras tenure Greece attracted foreign investors and bids to buy Greek bonds were oversubscribed.
Samaras and Tsipras represented democratic Greece in its entirety. Their actions are accepted by the Greek executive and Greek judiciary. The manner in which any leader is removed is a reflection of the robustness, transparency and lawfulness of the country as a whole. For example, the USA retained its credibility by impeaching Nixon.
noemon wrote:This shows what kind of back-room deals are being conducted during the crisis negotiations as well as how easy it actually is for normality to return if there is token goodwill.
We know the EU operates on backroom deals, and backroom deals are a source of distrust. I'm not suggesting that backroom deals cannot have a good intention, but I am suggesting that encouraging secrecy protects corruption.
noemon wrote:To say that the scandal never happened and it is merely a figment of our imagination?
Of course not, the scandal happened, and the state was obliged to enforce its rule of law without being prompted by an international organisation such as the EU.
noemon wrote:Are you a bit confused there?
Your OP focusses on the size of one scandal, and my immediate response was to highlight that it is one example in a catalogue of recent Greek scandals.
noemon wrote:3 very major projects/investments have been announced in Greece this year, the Ellinikon Project in Athens, the further privatisation of the Piraeus port to COSCO which will eventually turn Piraeus into one of the busiest ports in Europe and SAP has recently announced that its first Data Science Delivery Hub will be created in Greece.
The fact remains that Greece entertains dirty deals, and nobody knows what backroom deals were struck in negotiating these new projects. They might be clean deals, but any of them could be harbouring another scandal.
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The location in which 99% of all human productivity, motivation, and achievement is stored
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