[Godstud]

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Burn America, burn!!!

[Istanbuller]

Conservative sounds like White America to me. And liberal sounds more like a Hispanic thing to me.

Hispanics seems like progressive people while caucasians aopdting racist desires.

Shakira sings for it:

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[Ummon]

White Liberals in America tend to include: members of unions, scientists, people in academia, northerners/westerners, the non-religious, women, entertainers, and basically all manner of people who do stuff white people like.

[LehmanB]

I am not sure about the future, but the past is sure conservative.

[Sphinx]

I like it when American presidential candidates speak as if they will make a revolutionary change when all they could do is some incremental changes.

[QatzelOk]

I'm going to assume that "liberal" in this thread means "anything goes" technology and social changes, like the kind that the West experienced most recently in the 60s. Free love. Freeways. The Love Canal. Non-stop wars in the third world to sell more arms and steal more resources.

But with our food supplies collapsing because of pollution, and with our minds narrowing because of media and suburban isolation, I think the future will be far harsher and far less "anything goes."

In fact, I'm certain of it. The party is over, and most of us were never even invited to it. We're just being forced to walk on the broken empties for the rest of our lives.

[Ummon]

I'm just saying that when scientists, tech leaders, and economic leaders talk about the future it sounds a lot more "crazy" and "wild" than many of us even can imagine.

If you go out into the far future then it seems like "anything goes" and "the sky is the limit." Whatever that is, it doesn't sound like conservatism to me.

[elsec]

I think the future political consensus is gravitating towards the political left, but I don't think technology is the thing pushing it there. The fact is, the modern right wing are embracing some tech advancements. For example, the Liberator is heeded by a lot of US conservatives as a step forward for the right to bear arms. While technology provides the people with means and higher interests with the ability to monopolise those means, I don't see it influencing any shift from the stagnancy of the centre-left/centre-right politics which is currently supreme throughout Europe and North America right now. If we are to liberalise in the future, it will be because of the people and nothing else.

[Ummon]

I just imagine that in the future all of the debates of today will be exacerbated greatly. Have a problem with transgender people? Wait until animal-human hybrids become a norm and people are wolf-men & snake-women. Have a problem with in vitro fertilization? Wait until artificial wombs become widespread. Have problems with different "races"? Wait until the first generation of people are naturally born and grow up on Mars and have incredibly long frames and low bone density because of the much weaker gravity and who knows what kind of skin colors will evolve on different moons, asteroids, and planetary bodies. Have a problem with gays marrying? Wait until people are marrying robots.

[Igor Antunov]

Political stance has absolutely no relation to any arbitrary direction of time. The past, present and future are equally conservative, liberal and random. This is not a video game and we're not progressing up a social policy tree. No ideology is inherently superior/inferior to any other in all regards. Some are better at some things, some are better at others. Ideologies come and go, entire civilizations come and go. There is no end of history.

Only technology can see definitive 'improvement' and it allows for different societies and institutions to come and go. The high-point of technology in a societal sense is obviously the singularity, which involves either the destruction of mankind, or alternatively a hive-mind existence. This is the future. It is not liberal or conservative. It is something else entirely.

[Lexington]

The high-point of technology in a societal sense is obviously the singularity,

There is no end of history.

Please, riddle me your futurology here, Igor.

The Messiah tells me that there will be a singularity! But there will be no end of history!

Does Igor know what the Singularity is? And what Fukuyama's End of History is? I have no idea.

Tell me, Igor! Reconcile these concepts!

[Igor Antunov]

The singularity is not a dead end, not the end of civilization, merely an exponential speed up in energy consumption, therefore not an end of history. It represents the point where our technology becomes more intelligent than we are, and we cease to be able to understand or keep up with the rapid changes that it starts to invoke. It will simply become history written by someone...something else. Our successors.

[Lexington]

The singularity is not a dead end, not the end of civilization, merely an exponential speed up in energy consumption

I have never heard The Singularity described as "an exponential speed up in energy consumption". I would rather assume it to be highly efficient in consumption.

My favorite thing about Singularitarianism is that people 1. have ideas about it. 2. believe it 3. know what happens after it. It's like the Rapture. In fact:

Let's face it . The singularity is a religious rather than a scientific vision. The science-fiction writer Ken MacLeod has dubbed it ”the rapture for nerds,” an allusion to the end-time, when Jesus whisks the faithful to heaven and leaves us sinners behind.

Now my understanding about Singularitarianism is that The Singularity is less like an exponential function but like a function that reaches its asymptote and goes to infinity. That you could call a singularity. Exponential growth is just what we humans have been doing for quite some centuries.

It represents the point where our technology becomes more intelligent than we are, and we cease to be able to understand or keep up with the rapid changes that it starts to invoke. It will simply become history written by someone...something else. Our successors.

Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

[Dr House]

I, um, suppose this may be true for a specific definition of conservatism -- namely Luddism, which actually tends to align with platforms that call themselves "progressive". The only modern right-wing movement that fits this is Trump's reactionary right.

Classical liberalism, which tends to align with the right, enthusiastically embraces technology, innovation and advancement.

[Decky]

Other The future is socialism and the past is liberalism.

Seems pretty simple to me. Liberalism has done its job and industrialised most places now it is time for the workers to seize those industries.

[Bosnjak]

in the last 10 Years it is moving in the conservative direction since 1968

[Potemkin]

in the last 10 Years it is moving in the conservative direction since 1968

You mean this is still 1978...?

*checks calendar*

My God, you're right! The past 38 years of my life have just been a drug-induced hallucination!!

[jbander]

The future is liberal because demographics is going to erase the republican party from our memory. These regressive spent way to much time and energy putting down everyone other then old white males. The poor, the blacks, the Latinos have been trampled by this group and the poor were made evil by them just for being poor. There degrading of women will even in this election hurt them and will only get worse for them as time goes on and well it should. Your political beliefs when they include taking money from all organization that help these people and try to get rid of SS and Medicare. Will catch up to them. Simply by the increase in population of the groups they have walked all over and attacked. They are history and even their name republican , will be so poisoned that the conservative group that will take over that lean will have to be called something else. You know like maybe The Christian capitalist patriot party. They do enjoy saying that thats what they are even though they aren't. My Pick is Toast, it's also my hope. They are not good for this country. So I see this as a good thing.

[Decky]

Does it matter? The Democrats are so similar to the Republicans that the GOP vanishing wouldn't actually effect American politics in any measurable way.

[Atlantis]

other,

Once the US has lost its empire, it will turn into a conservative protectionist state.