[Saeko]

Maybe I should vote for Trump if just for the lulz.

[quetzalcoatl]

The only thing that will stop it, constitutionally, will be to apply the legitimate threat of third parties on the left to stop the moderates and social democrats from compromising their way to the right.

This threat is not taken very seriously by mainstream Democrats, as far as I can see. The Sanders movement is dismissed as a short lived fad and its adherents as clueless naifs (at best) or honorary deplorables. These stalwarts may be justified in giving short shrift to progressives - after all, 8 in 10 former Bernie supporters are being projected to vote for Clinton. Not much threat there.

Maybe I should vote for Trump if just for the lulz.

Well, sure. That's about the extent of his revolution. Trump is evolving into a Reagan clone with a side order of George Wallace.
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[Decky]

How would you vote if you were a Florida resident instead? (anyone can answer that if they like)

Trump all the way. He will build a wall, it will be beautiful and Mexico is going to pay for it.

[The Immortal Goon]

This threat is not taken very seriously by mainstream Democrats, as far as I can see. The Sanders movement is dismissed as a short lived fad and its adherents as clueless naifs (at best) or honorary deplorables. These stalwarts may be justified in giving short shrift to progressives - after all, 8 in 10 former Bernie supporters are being projected to vote for Clinton. Not much threat there.

All the more reason for dissident and real leftists to vote third party.

[Beren]

Communist, if they had a shot!

If they have a shot, nobody has to vote any more. That's the beauty of Fascism too.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

And we all know who, in the end, shoots the fascists.

[Beren]

And we all know who, in the end, shoots the fascists.

Many have to be shot before heaven comes to earth.

[TrumpSortOfMeme]

Many have to be shot before heaven comes to earth.

Well if we shoot everyone, then everybody on earth can go to heaven.

[Beren]

Well if we shoot everyone, then everybody on earth can go to heaven.

And nobody has to vote any more, which is the ultimate prerequisite of happiness.

[Donna]

I would hold my nose and choose the neoliberal over the fascist. Thankfully I don't have to make that choice.

Lol, this is why no one takes the left seriously anymore. You would rather vote for the establishment candidate instead of voting for the protectionist and nationalist, who objectively isn't a fascist by any qualified definition.

America will get the president that it deserves.

[TrumpSortOfMeme]

Lol, this is why no one takes the left seriously anymore. You would rather vote for the establishment candidate instead of voting for the protectionist and nationalist, who objectively isn't a fascist by any qualified definition.

America will get the president that it deserves.

But does America really deserve the choices they have? Trump or Hillary... had you told me these were the choices 2 years ago I would have cried.

[Donna]

But does America really deserve the choices they have? Trump or Hillary... had you told me these were the choices 2 years ago I would have cried.

The problem is that too many people want to elect a political saint. It doesn't work that way. You elect the son of the bitch who is going to advance your interests.

[Atlantis]

It's entirely hypothetical since I can't even imagine to be American. But supposing I were, I guess I would vote for Clinton as the lesser evil.

As European, I'm secretly rooting for Trump, since it will make Europe distance itself from its American overlords.

[Beren]

It's entirely hypothetical since I can't even imagine to be American.

How is it so hard to imagine being American? There are many sorts of Americans, and acquiring American culture doesn't really require much. You'd be a mainstream left-leaning Democrat, I would say.

[Atlantis]

How is it so hard to imagine being American?

Can you be American without identifying to some degree with US global hegemony? As an American, how can you live with Mossadegh, Vietnam, Allende, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, torture, extrajudicial killings, Iraq, and, and, and? As an American, do you believe that all of this was necessary to defend your country or to impose US hegemony on the world? How do you live with the violence, the racial tension, the plutocracy of money, the absence of a social safety net? I don't know how they do it.

[Beren]

I don't know how they do it.

Most of them just live their lives and don't give a damn, I guess, while the others either support/enjoy or oppose it actively, or live with it passively. Being American is also just a way of being a civilised human, I don't think it's especially hard to learn to live with the responsibilities and challenges of being American. What I can't imagine is that how I could be a Chinese, if I had to live in China. I wonder whether I could cope with living in China at all.

[Albert]

Not even gonna vote.

I agree, it is unlady like to get involved in political affairs. Good for you. You make me proud.

[Saeko]

I agree, it is unlady like to get involved in political affairs. Good for you. You make me proud.

[Atlantis]

I don't think it's especially hard to learn to live with the responsibilities and challenges of being American. What I can't imagine is that how I could be a Chinese, if I had to live in China. I wonder whether I could cope with living in China at all.

That is just another way of saying you prefer to live in prosperity rather than in poverty.

I think it is harder to be American than it is to be Chinese. After all, Americans, at least in theory, do have a choice, if they believe that they live in a democracy and not in a plutocracy of money (which is harder to believe as time goes by). While as a Chinese, you don't really have any choice. Whatever your government does in the South China Sea, or wherever, is not your responsibility, since you can't vote for your government. Quite on the contrary, you are just happy that the Communist Party in its great wisdom does everything to take China out off poverty and prevents the country form falling into anarchy.

[B0ycey]

Begrudgingly Clinton. Trump would make an unstable world even more unstable.