[noemon]

Polls show that Corbyn enjoys more support among the middle-class than the working class.

He recently scrapped the Trident affair giving the go-ahead for nuclear re-armament.

I live in one the strongest Labour seats and I don't know anyone who'd vote for him.

I live in one of the affluent areas of the UK(traditional LibDem stronghold) and I know a lot of people who would vote for him including many Professors at the University of Cambridge.

What I have noticed is that traditional working class people in Britain feel more comfortable with Toffs ruling them than an unshaven "leftist", while more confident middle-class people take no issue with minor change.

Jeremy Corbyn is the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. There is absolutely no doubt about it.

[albionfagan]

Here, Liverpool, Corbyn appears to have a decent amount of support (although not unanimous among Labour voters), this idea that he just appeals to middle class liberals from London playing politics is rubbish. I would say the British working class is one of the most acquiescent in Europe though.

[Beren]

It's hard to believe his chances are zero, I'd think they're 1:2 at least. I'm not sure how much his Nordic approach is electable in Britain though. In my opinion the British will be eager for change after Brexit.

I also don't understand how Boris Johnson was (or is?) considered a possible PM by many, while Corbyn isn't.

[skinster]

I migth be mistaken, but I believe Corbyn is the most unpopular party leader in a generation.

I think you are mistaken, considering he won the leadership election twice in the last year.

[Albert]

Its nice to see another idealistic socialist getting elected who will drive Britain to the rocks again (if he ever gets elected in the general elections that is). When will the proles learn.
But at least he is anti-establishment, that is a plus.

God save the Queen.

[Thompson_NCL]

I think you are mistaken, considering he won the leadership election twice in the last year.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/05/co ... ion-leade/

The average Labour party member is not representative of national opinion.

[Heisenberg]

The Labour Party is an utter waste of time. But it may as well be led by someone who is identifiably a "Labour" politician, rather than an eminently forgettable former corporate lobbyist with no discernible opinions of any kind. Does anyone really believe that having Owen Smith as leader would actually make Labour "electable"? At least with Corbyn we get the amusing spectacle of 200-odd Labour MPs, who believe that establishment centrism is "rebellion", throwing impotent hissy fits every time their leader says what he thinks.

[Wellsy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/21/jeremy-corbyn-cant-throw-online-trolls-out-of-labour-if-he-did-h/

If Corbyn was serious about ending social media abuse of Labour Party members he could do one simple thing - make a speech in which he praised Tony Blair and his achievements in government. It shouldn't be difficult for one Labour Party leader to praise another. Particularly as Tony was electorally the most successful Labour leader in history.

[layman]

BUT if they get rid of Corbyn prior to 2020, they of course stand a chance.

I doubt it because there is no viable personality for a replacement. They need someone who is as far away from blair as possible but not 1980's still nutty socialism. A modern version of corbyn. Someone leaning towards a german or norway model. Not a venezuelan one ....

He recently scrapped the Trident affair giving the go-ahead for nuclear re-armament.

They just announced scrapping trident as a flagship policy, along with expanding foreign aid. They are totally out of touch beyond their leftist bubble. Its quite telling that corbyn doesnt speak to anyone apart from allies at rallies or in meetings. He hates critisism.

including many Professors at the University of Cambridge.

I am sure plenty in academia will vote for him because it is full of hard core leftists.

I think you are mistaken, considering he won the leadership election twice in the last year.

This is increadibly dumb. He won it because of entryism. He was not voted by the british public. You realise the whole of the country gets to vote in actual elections?

EDIT - regarding trident there seems to have been a last second change of policy to keep open the possibility of scrapping it. Its a total shambles with unions going against the anti war factions. We can see labour is now trying to appease its union crowd, its professional ethnics, anti war activists and blairites all at once. Its a mess.

[B0ycey]

Here, Liverpool, Corbyn appears to have a decent amount of support (although not unanimous among Labour voters), this idea that he just appeals to middle class liberals from London playing politics is rubbish. I would say the British working class is one of the most acquiescent in Europe though.

Corbyn will have a stronghold in working class areas such as Liverpool. He will also appeal to extreme Liberals who want a change in the way the establishment is run. People say on here he is left-middle, right-middle not a socialist etc. I don't know what they have been smoking, but Corbyn is most definitely a socialist! And that is why he is so deceive. You either love him or hate him. He stands up for the factory man. He stands up for the poor. He stands up for Liberal values. He stands up for the Unions. And if you fall into these categories of course you are going to love him. However, this is also a problem for Corbyn. The majority of voters are over 65. They remember the winter of discontent, the miners strike, the three day week etc. There was a reason Thatcher won three terms as PM and it wasn't due to her wit, charm or policies. Old Labour was just a decisive as Corbyn is today and the majority of UK voters are not socialists. They are in the middle. They want fair policies for all, not just the impoverish. Corbyn does not appeal to them. I fall in this category. Don't get me wrong I like Corbyn. I like his policies. But what good would privatising the railways do for UK business investment in previous state-run projects? What would happen to big businesses if you rise cooperation tax? How will small businesses fair if minimum wage went above £10 per hour? How many foreign businesses would come to Britain if unions were as strong today as back in the 70s? These things concern middle class voters. I won't go as far as to say Corbyn can't win the 2020 election. The end of the day, if the Tories make a pigs ear of Brexit, voters will change their alliances. However as it stands today, only an economic disaster is going to result in Corbyn being the next PM of the UK.

[layman]

I won't go as far as to say Corbyn can't win the 2020 election. The end of the day, if the Tories make a pigs ear of Brexit, voters will change their alliances. However as it stands today, only an economic disaster is going to result in Corbyn being the next PM of the UK.

I agree this is what they need to win. This is why john mcdonnell said 2008 was the opportunity he (and fellow marxists) had been waiting for his whole life. Brexit is sort of the same. They need a disaster and big events to get a look in.

Corbyn was in a tricky position with the EU. He had been against it his whole life but nearly his entire party - and most of his base - wanted to stay in. This is why he had to lie which, to be fair, doesnt come naturally to him.

He enraged his party however after the vote. He said to the cameras that they needed to invoke article 50 "as soon as possible". He might have said this because he was worried there would be a roll back? Mcdonnell also told an interviewer the other day that labour might not be against a hard brexit. This will shock the pre 2015 labour party also.

Even with this win there are just too many spits in the movement to reconcile I think. Let alone talking round the public. Its a mess.

[B0ycey]

I also don't understand how Boris Johnson was (or is?) considered a possible PM by many, while Corbyn isn't. :?:

Buffoon Johnson for PM! It's bad enough he's our foreign secretary. May must have had some serious alcohol consumption from her PM bash the night before to believe that was the right move. Just who you want walking into Downing Street when you have a meeting with Junker/Tusk about Brexit. Nobody I know thinks he would make a good future PM. He's up there with Prince Phillip for outspoken stupidity! Just who you want at diplomatic talks... NOT! Nonetheless, there is a difference between Labour and the Tories. Tories voters are more loyal as it is pretty obvious what their values are. Old and New Labour are two different parties. That's is why there is so much rebellion with the Socialists and the Blairites today. So to understand why Johnson could be a possible PM and Corbyn stands little chance is because traditional Tory voters would vote for 'Hitler in drag' if he was their leader... And as it happened occurred in 1979!

[ingliz]

*** Stop Press ***

“Having a leader* place someone on the NEC is an exercise in patronage, not democracy.”

The 'moderates' (Red Tories) have regained control of the NEC.

The new power balance on the NEC will make it less likely that the leadership will be able to institute sweeping party reforms, including rumoured moves to permit open selections after boundary changes.

* Kezia Dugdale MSP

Carwyn Jones, First Minister of Wales

[Rich]

The 'moderates' (Red Tories) have regained control of the NEC,

It annoys me that Blarites get called moderates. The Blairites were mass immigration fanatics just as much as the Corbynites, they are way outside mainstream public opinion when it comes to immigration. The Blarites were just as committed to Sharia Britain as the Corbynistas, deliberately flooding the country with Somalians.

[Beren]

The Blarites were just as committed to Sharia Britain as the Corbynistas, deliberately flooding the country with Somalians.

Who cares if Britain gets flooded by Somalians? They're not Poles at least!

[skinster]

ITT I am

[Delta18kdy]

Labours in a bit of a mess right now because of corbyn he needs to leave but hes too stubborn to listen to his own party, maybe when he tanks in 2020 hell listen.

[Heisenberg]

"His own party" just re-elected him as leader by a margin of 62% to 38%, Delta18kdy. We all know his MPs don't like him, but that's because they are too stupid to understand that New Labour's credibility was permanently and irreparably damaged by the Iraq War, and that the Blair project has been taken over completely by the Tories, rendering them obsolete. They prefer to blame their dreadful situation on an imagined Trotskyist conspiracy, because it's easier than actually examining their own failings.

[Thompson_NCL]

I don't believe the Iraq war is responsible for New Labour being damaged goods. They won an election after the Iraq war and pretty much held the Tories to a draw in the second election. It might be an issue for the leftist party members, but it's not an issue for the general public.

I think the real issue is that the party membership is a small clique of leftists who are not representative of the general populace. How else do you explain the uncharismatic Ed followed by the unelectable Jeremy? The Tories have often made mistakes in this department, but in Cameron and May they at least picked leaders who have a veneer of credibility.

[skinster]

ITT I am

And again.