@The Immortal Goon, @Beren, et al.
It was TIG who brought up the issue of 'victimhood' to derail the discussion and divert from his initial silly spin.
I literally said that 'the occupied nation cannot be responsible for the crimes of the occupier, just like the Jews cannot be made responsible for the holocaust'.
I am not responsible for the Iraq war which I, my government and everybody I know vehemently opposed. But I'm sure TIG with his outlandish theorizing will come up with a conspiracy making me personally responsible for the Iraq war.
In fact, TIG strongly reminds me of the US spin doctors who came over to Europe after the war alleging that Germany was responsible for the Iraq war, supposedly because its intelligence agency had provided them with intelligence giving grounds for the war. They did not explain why the German government based on the same intelligence had come to the opposite conclusion.
More than the actual act of the war, it was this total intellectual dishonesty combined with the ruthless and gratuitous will for destruction of the US war machine that convinced me that US militarism is the most destructive force on the planet and that we need to part ways. And now comes TIG making me personally responsible for US militarism.
I said it before and I will say it again, Marxists are not of this world and American imperialists posing as Marxists do so for no other reason than to bear the impossible burden of US imperialism.
TIG just ask yourself why do you so vehemently attack me for opposing US imperialism? Just be honest to yourself once in your life.
There is no point in continuing this discussion because TIG is enclosed in his own logic that does not allow the facts of the real world to penetrate. Just like everybody to the right of the Marxist far-left holds erroneous views in TIG's opinion, so is everybody not willing to recite his Marxist mantra complicit in US imperialism.
It is impossible to argue with that sort of circular logic.