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EpiPen’s $69 Cost in Britain Shows Other Extreme of Drug Pricing
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... g-itnvgvam

The EpiPen allergy shot, enmeshed in controversy because it sells for almost as much as the latest iPhone in the U.S., costs less than its leather case in Britain.

The price of an EpiPen two-pack has surged to more than $600 in the U.S., sparking a political outcry. While the manufacturer, Mylan NV, says it takes home about $274, in the U.K. a similar pair of injectors costs the state-funded National Health Service 53 pounds ($69). The numbers highlight the stark differences in the way drugs are priced in the U.S. and Britain, where the government negotiates with pharmaceutical companies to limit costs.

“It’s really two extremes,” said Soeren Niegel, executive vice president of commercial operations at Danish drugmaker Alk-Abello A/S, whose Jext pen is sold in Europe but not the U.S. “The truth, I think, should be somewhere in the middle. In the U.S., there’s a fair point from consumers and legislators saying this is crazy.”

Fuel for Critics

In a hearing looking into EpiPen prices this month, U.S. lawmakers lambasted Mylan’s Chief Executive Officer Heather Bresch. The cost of drugs in America depends on a complex, splintered and opaque system where intermediaries negotiate on behalf of some patient groups, while others are left to bear the brunt of the highest prices. That’s led to political scrutiny of other perceived abuses from Valeant Pharmaceuticals International Inc. and former Turing Pharmaceuticals AG CEO Martin Shkreli.

Europe’s more affordable medicines are fuel for critics of the U.S. system. Mylan charges a sixth of American prices in other wealthy nations, showing that the EpiPen -- a decades-old adrenaline auto-injector that can be life-saving for people with severe allergies -- can be profitable at far lower prices, according to a Sept. 20 report from advocacy group Public Citizen. The cost for two EpiPens ranges from less than $100 in France to just over $200 in Germany. In New York City, a two-pack retails for $615 to $650, according to prescription drug-price tracker GoodRx. The product cost only $57 a shot when Mylan took over sales in 2007.

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Even as Mylan boosted its gross profit margin on EpiPens in the U.S. to an estimated 75 percent last year from 57 percent in 2008 by raising prices, it had to cut them in the U.K. (the product there was sold under license by Meda AB until Mylan bought the Swedish drugmaker this year). “Each market has its unique considerations that may impact costs,” spokeswoman Julie Knell said in an e-mailed response to questions.

Two Systems

The U.K. government and the industry negotiate an agreement that sets a limit on the health service’s spending and requires pharmaceutical companies to repay any amount that exceeds the fixed cap. Most drugmakers go that route, which is how the price of EpiPen and its two local rivals was set, though there is a way to opt out as well. The government is considering new legislation that would align both branches of the system to control costs.

In the U.S., intermediaries such as pharmacy benefit managers play a significant role in deciding how much drugs will cost. Drugmakers say price increases fund rising rebates, or fees paid to those distribution middlemen, while the benefit managers say costs would be even higher if they didn’t negotiate discounts on behalf of insurers and employers. Yet not everyone is insured, or even well insured, sometimes leaving patients who can least afford it to shoulder the highest prices.

Price Controversy

“The fact that this appears so obscene points to a much deeper problem, which is a healthcare system that thinks it’s okay to pay $600 when you don’t have to,’’ said Karl Claxton, a health economics specialist and professor at the University of York in England. “The U.S. health-care system doesn’t have a disciplined demand side. In many respects, I don’t blame the pharmaceutical sector.”

Not everyone agrees. Drugmakers are under the spotlight for the high prices charged for innovative medicines that require years of research -- not just older ones like EpiPen, whose active ingredient costs $1. Gilead Sciences Inc. came under scrutiny from two U.S. senators last year for prices of its hepatitis C drugs Sovaldi, with a list price of $1,000-a-pill, and Harvoni.

The costs of many drugs in Europe, on the other hand, have been under pressure. For instance the U.K.’s National Health Service pays about 48 pounds for two of Alk-Abello’s Jext injectors, down about 17 percent since 2013, according to Niegel. Jext first went on sale in Europe in 2011. Across the continent, average wholesale prices have slumped more than 10 percent over the past three or four years, squeezing margins.

“In Europe, it’s getting to the point where it’s simply not a sustainable business anymore,” he said. “So it has to go the other way.”
Few Rivals
Some of the pressure stems from competition. While the EpiPen in Britain vies with Jext and at least one other product called Emerade from Valeant, the Mylan shots have faced a lack of rivals across the Atlantic as competitors suffered setbacks.

Valeant gave up on introducing Emerade in the U.S. in 2015 based on feedback from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, it said in regulatory filings. Impax Laboratories Inc. faces manufacturing constraints to the amount of EpiPen rival Adrenaclick it can supply, it said in June. Earlier this year, a would-be generic competitor from Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd. was delayed until at least 2017 over FDA concerns. And France’s Sanofi pulled its Auvi-Q injector from the market over concerns about suspected malfunctions last October.

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#14722445
$69 isn't that bad, given they can run MUCH higher... like $400.
6 years ago, when I was in charge of getting medical supplies for our plant, we got some epi-pens, just in case. They were $80 each. You can get them now, in Canada, for $5 each. (My friend who needs them, and is a paramedic, just bought some and posted on it)
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http://www.goodrx.com/blog/epipen-vs-ad ... e-options/
#14722457
No major industry should be in the hands of the capitalists. Maybe hairdressers should stay private and burger vans and possibly those shops that sell phone cases but apart from that everything needs to be in the hands of the workers state. It is the only way to be safe.
#14722555
The utter absurdity of the US system is that despite the ridiculous prices that private healthcare companies charge, the federal government still spends far more per head than any major country with universal healthcare. It's amazing to me that this racket has been allowed to continue for so long.
#14722558
Maybe hairdressers should stay private and burger vans and possibly those shops that sell phone cases


Sell out.

the federal government still spends far more per head than any major country with universal healthcare.


I read that this too. At least when compared to the UK. Its hard to iunderstand how some think it is value for money when you consider this- of that the NHS isnt efficient for that matter.
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Right, and that's why in Canada the epipen is so cheap, because the government is in charge of healthcare, not private companies, like in the US, where you pay 2x/per person what universal healthcare pays.

Capitalism and healthcare don't go together.

Scamp wrote:It's Obama care. The UNaffordable health care act. It's his legacy.
You obviously know nothing about it. Saying it in "unaffordable" in a country where they spend $598 billion on military, is ignoring the facts.

As of March 2015, the net cost of ObamaCare is projected to be $1.207 trillion over the 2016 – 2025 period.
http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare/

So this comes out to $60 billion per year. Very affordable for a country with the economy of the US. That's still only about 10% of the military budget.

Senter wrote:But just think... if we raise the minimum wage the price of the EpiPen will be forced to also increase like everything else!!! Riiiiiiiight.
Minimum wage has nothing to do with this. This statement demonstrates a great deal of ignorance on the subject of both minimum wage AND drug pricing.

Senter wrote:A proper government would have immediately stepped in and stopped this insane greed before someone is harmed.
So then you must be pro Obamacare and universal healthcare.
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Senter wrote:
But just think... if we raise the minimum wage the price of the EpiPen will be forced to also increase like everything else!!! Riiiiiiiight.


Godstud wrote:Right, and that's why in Canada the epipen is so cheap, because the government is in charge of healthcare, not private companies, like in the US, where you pay 2x/per person what universal healthcare pays.

Capitalism and healthcare don't go together.

Bingo!


Minimum wage has nothing to do with this. This statement demonstrates a great deal of ignorance on the subject of both minimum wage AND drug pricing.

Did you actually miss my sarcasm?? Really?? And I thought if nothing else, my "Riiiiiiiiiight" would be a dead giveaway. In fact I was trying to illustrate the ignorance of minimum wage and pricing we see among a section of our society.


So then you must be pro Obamacare and universal healthcare.

Obamacare? Obamacare has done nothing to stop or to correct this EpiPen scandal. Universal healthcare could correct it and other things in healthcare if it is done honestly with an intention of actually solving the problems.
#14724251
Sarcasm... one of those things you don't recognize when you have a new poster. Considering that some posters are very extreme, sarcasm is usually lost on these forums unless you have some posters who use it constantly, or issue a sarcasm warning.
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Godstud wrote:Sarcasm... one of those things you don't recognize when you have a new poster. Considering that some posters are very extreme, sarcasm is usually lost on these forums unless you have some posters who use it constantly, or issue a sarcasm warning.

Thanks. I will take your comments to heart.

Actually, -not that it matters really, -but I have been here a long time... long before this new format replaced the old one. But I have been here quite rarely. That is why people think I'm new.

Cheers!
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A defining feature of the American economy seems to be to set outrageous sticker prices for important things, notably health care and higher education but also home ownership and car ownership. Then there's a series of hoops to jump through to afford it, yet those hoops make more money for other people.

For instance drug companies set outrageous sticker prices then say, "But wait, we have assistance for people who can't afford it." This is why insurance costs so much since they are billing insurance companies so high.

Then in turn Obamacare and the insurance industry claim to negotiate down the insurance prices.

The same thing is true for higher education, set a high sticker price then create a whole bunch of different programs to "help" people afford it but in turn these programs make a lot of money for a lot of people along the way.

The same thing is true of home and car ownership. People used to save most of their way and then take out a small loan at most. People realized by setting higher sticker prices then making people get a long term loan they can make more money off interest.
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Godstud wrote:Right, and that's why in Canada the epipen is so cheap, because the government is in charge of healthcare, not private companies, like in the US, where you pay 2x/per person what universal healthcare pays.

Capitalism and healthcare don't go together.

You obviously know nothing about it. Saying it in "unaffordable" in a country where they spend $598 billion on military, is ignoring the facts.

As of March 2015, the net cost of ObamaCare is projected to be $1.207 trillion over the 2016 – 2025 period.
http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare/

So this comes out to $60 billion per year. Very affordable for a country with the economy of the US. That's still only about 10% of the military budget.

Minimum wage has nothing to do with this. This statement demonstrates a great deal of ignorance on the subject of both minimum wage AND drug pricing.

So then you must be pro Obamacare and universal healthcare.


So Godstud, tell us about a Canadian Premier coming to the USA for heart surgery, because Canada health care is so bad...
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You mean this guy?

Williams's heart surgery choice was based on ignorance
Mr. Williams went on to tell The Canadian Press: "I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics."

The clear implication of that statement is that the surgery he sought in the United States was not available in Canada, and that health care in this country - and cardiac surgery in particular - is inferior.

That is utter nonsense on both counts.

He was offered the standard treatment for his condition, mitral valve repair. The surgery requires that the breastbone be cracked. which suggests longer recovery time.

Mr. Williams, wisely, sought a second opinion. Every surgery patient should.

The Premier was told the mitral valve could also be repaired with minimally invasive surgery - with smaller incisions and no cracking of the chest, suggesting less recovery time.

Up to that point, Mr. Williams did his homework relatively well. But then his decision-making went off the rails.

He contacted Lynn McGrath, a Memorial University alumnus who is a cardiovascular surgeon in New Jersey.

Dr. McGrath recommended a surgeon at Mount Sinai Hospital in Miami who does minimally invasive surgery, Joseph Lamelas.

While these men are excellent health-care practitioners, they know little about Canada's health system.

Had Mr. Williams asked his questions of the right people, he would have learned what procedures are offered in Canada, and that cardiovascular outcomes in this country are as good as in the U.S., and often better.

The surgery that Mr. Williams wanted and was medically appropriate was not available in St. John's, but is available in at least seven Canadian cities.

(And let's dismiss quickly the suggestion that every procedure should be offered in small centres like St. John's. In surgery, high volumes translate into better quality and safety, so it is wise to bring patients to central locations.)

If he'd sought advice in Canada, Mr. Williams would also have learned that minimally invasive surgery, despite the hype, is not necessarily the best option for his condition.

In the U.S. system, marketing, newness and profit margins too often trump evidence.

Mr. Williams's sin was not in going to the U.S. for surgery, it was in acting on partial information, uttering untruths about the availability of care, and smearing - however inadvertently - Canada's health system in the process.

The Premier said he did "some checking," but the reality is that he depended on the old boys' network and on prejudices about Canada's health system instead of readily available evidence.

Sadly, this is often how decisions are made by the politicians who are stewards of our health system, and we all suffer for it.

Health care in this country is good, but it would be better if we acted more often with our heads than with our hearts.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le1365308/


So he was stupid and spent $25-$50,000 US dollars for a procedure he could get in Canada. I don't see this as evidence of anything, but stupidity.

Rumours that Canadian healthcare is inferior to US healthcare, is sheer nonsense, and devoid of facts.


World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-he ... h-systems/

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