- 05 Dec 2016 16:10
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I agree that Clinton, simply, screwed up. She failed to recognize the elephant in the room (no pun intended) which was economic distress for millions who work for shit pay or do not work at all. Millions of hurting people to whom trump gave hope. This along with a poor bunch of accountants working for her who failed their electoral math course. But lies cannot be overlooked. For example Obama's war on coal is a lie. Yes Obama passed some regs to try to clean up the stink of coal. Their are bigger wheels turning here however. Coal is in the process of becoming obsolete. It stinks and is difficult to handle. Solar and wind are now less expensive. If there is a war on coal, it is being waged by the coal industry itself which now finds it cost effective to lay off miners in favor of simply blowing up mountains. No, trump lies so much that lies are pretty much his trade mark. We are still awaiting evidence of the millions of illegal immigrants who voted for Clinton and on and on..........lies to numerous to enumerate.
The 58,315 American deaths in the pointless war with Vietnam I suspect were largely soldiers drafted from urban and rural areas alike with the majority coming from the more densly populated areas.
blackjack21 wrote:Isn't it a little simpler than that? Isn't it basically that Hillary went in to coal country and told them she was going to continue Obama's war on coal? So when election time came, isn't it possible that these people decided not to vote for her? She lost Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. I mean she lost among white college-educated women! Do you think those ObamaCare bills might have had an effect? The central premise of Hillary's campaign was based upon her being a woman, and Trump being unacceptable. She flat out ignored blue collar workers and their concerns. She didn't even campaign in Wisconsin. Do you really think that lies are that effective? I mean, I can see it working when preaching to the choir, but when he broke down the so-called Blue Wall, there simply has to be a better explanation than Trump lied, or Comey did it, etc. It has to lie squarely at the feet of Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff. It was a failed strategy. I laid out that this would be a failure quite some time ago, and reprised it recently in comments on this "war on women" meme that they spread. I also said it would work on Jeb Bush, but not on Trump.
These densely populated areas created a system of ensaring as much territory as possible by giving heavier weight to lesser populated states. Heck, California has counties bigger than some states. Yet, that is the system as it was defined, and the only way to change it now is for the less populated states to give up that extra power, which is exceedingly unlikely.
As for soldiers, rural populations are much more likely to join the military. U.S. Rural Soldiers Account for a Disproportionately High Share of Casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan
Now tie that back to the recent election, and it's the people from these areas that also voted disproportionately for Trump. I think it was his economic message that resonated.
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I agree that Clinton, simply, screwed up. She failed to recognize the elephant in the room (no pun intended) which was economic distress for millions who work for shit pay or do not work at all. Millions of hurting people to whom trump gave hope. This along with a poor bunch of accountants working for her who failed their electoral math course. But lies cannot be overlooked. For example Obama's war on coal is a lie. Yes Obama passed some regs to try to clean up the stink of coal. Their are bigger wheels turning here however. Coal is in the process of becoming obsolete. It stinks and is difficult to handle. Solar and wind are now less expensive. If there is a war on coal, it is being waged by the coal industry itself which now finds it cost effective to lay off miners in favor of simply blowing up mountains. No, trump lies so much that lies are pretty much his trade mark. We are still awaiting evidence of the millions of illegal immigrants who voted for Clinton and on and on..........lies to numerous to enumerate.
The 58,315 American deaths in the pointless war with Vietnam I suspect were largely soldiers drafted from urban and rural areas alike with the majority coming from the more densly populated areas.
"Society in those days was a perfectly competent, perfectly complacent, ruthless machine." Virginia Woolf 1897