foxdemon wrote:I think Zimabwe is a good day sample to choose. What happened to white Rhodesians when Britain withdrew support? What do you think will happen to Israelis under a Palestinian regime?
White Rhodesians were British. Israelis are not British. There is no ethnic or religious kinship. Therefore I do not see why the English should prioritise the situation of Israelis, and why over the Palestinians? What makes a logical choice to support Israel in this instance?
foxdemon wrote:Strangely enough the Israelis have managed to build diplomatic ties with major Arab countries. So it is only Arab popularist you would be alienating. So why support popularist? Would you support neo-Nazis just because you wanted to be seen to support Western countries and they are vocal and demanding?
It is not only popularists that are alienated. When Israel was attacking Gaza in 2014 the British government said that Israel was just defending itself. The whole Arab world notices this because Palestine is obviously an emotional issue for all Arabic speakers and Muslims around the world.
foxdemon wrote:Countries you can really on when the chips are down. Maybe you don’t understand.
Yes, but rely on them how? Israel is a Middle Eastern power and a small country. If the chips are down it is going to take more far more than Israel to save the UK.
foxdemon wrote:I mentioned how British moralists abandoned Rhodesia to its fate above. Hong Kong was also abandoned when it was convenient. You realise how many liberal Chinese you left to the Communists, don’t you?
I am not a liberal and do not believe that liberalism is for export outside the Anglosphere. If others want liberalism they can establish it themselves. That is incidentally the only way that liberalism works, when it has popular support. Chinese liberals must establish liberalism on their own.
foxdemon wrote:Not with your nation’s track record of abandoning friends when ever it is convenient.
That is true. But diplomatic relationships take time. Good relations can be cultivated with any country if both parties are willing to put in the effort.
foxdemon wrote:Because Israel is not your enemy whereas Iran is. If I might bring up Pakistan and Zimbabwe again, do you really think these nations are going to be sympathetic to Britain? You see what I mean by isolation? Abandon friendly nations (remember the listed nations in my first post) then expect nations you colonised or exploited to be your friends. Honestly, how realistic is your position?
In what way is Iran an enemy? It is only an enemy if the Persian Gulf is a British interest and I do not believe that it is. I do not believe the UK has any interests in the Middle East. The British soldiers, money and everything invested there is not worth it.
As for permanent friends and enemies, I do not think it works that way. Good relations are based on the position of each government at a diplomatic level. What happened in the past may influence positions and the disposition of certain countries towards others, but they do not dictate them entirely. You mention Pakistan, but in what way is Pakistan hostile to the UK? And I mean at the official level, not at the population level.
foxdemon wrote:Do you think you mean anything to those 30%? And what of the other 70%?
Probably not. But do I mean anything to anyone outside of Europe and the Anglosphere?
foxdemon wrote:Your desire to interfer in other nation’s business is evidence of latent imperialism. Have you considered the idea of the British minding their own business?
But that is exactly what I am suggesting. I want the UK to let the Islamic world mind it's own business and not favour any particular country there over another. But you insist on favouring Israel.
foxdemon wrote:Now you claim to speak for the US and all of Europe. The British are suffering from empire hang over syndrome, struggling to come to terms with the reality that they aren’t the most powerful people in the world anymore. Possibly this would explain the desire to interfere in other places with NGOs and high browed moralistic policies. It makes them feel important.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the UK is somehow meddling in Israeli affairs?
foxdemon wrote:By adopting a more benign attitude to Israel, you have the chance to turn away from the self destructive mindset too many British have been stuck in for the last few generations.
Aside from the US the UK is probably one of the most pro-Israel countries in the world. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK is somehow anti-Israeli?